Some hands you are destined to go broke on............

[matt674]

Errr how can you say the money is going in anyway then say fold on a heart turn? Paul is too short to play this cautiously.

If he leads out and gets called and the heart comes, he's mucking and has even less chips. The simple fact is he has no chance of folding against any hand that has him beat already. Push here and getting called, I'd still expect him to be ahead more than half the time.

hmmmm, "Paul", "play" and "cautiously" all in the same sentence - never thought i'd see that on a public forum 

[SupaMonkey]

He has nine BB's. NINE! Plus I'm sure Paul wants 1st, he doesn't just want to cash. Any lead out followed by a call, is leaving him with no room to play if a heart comes on board. With the stacks as they are, I don't think anyone gets away.

But the money is going in anyway. Why are you in such a rush to get it in on the flop. If you bet and then fold on a heart turn you save yourself those times when you would have been outdrawn.

Errr how can you say the money is going in anyway then say fold on a heart turn? Paul is too short to play this cautiously.

If he leads out and gets called and the heart comes, he's mucking and has even less chips. The simple fact is he has no chance of folding against any hand that has him beat already. Push here and getting called, I'd still expect him to be ahead more than half the time.

What i mean is that if he gets called on the flop he can push the turn and get called.

[Royal Flush]

Anyone who passes here has a huge leak IMO.

What i would have done diffrently is lose AQ vs AK earlier in the comp....

[M3boy]

Anyone who passes here has a huge leak IMO.

What i would have done diffrently is lose AQ vs AK earlier in the comp....

Shhhhh James.

But BOY did that feel good!!!!!!!!  Nice to outdraw someone for a change, and the guy was a complete ar$e as well. SOOO SLOW!!!!!!

It got to the stage that I was calling for the clock as soon as it was his turn to act!!

Example, he had 30k and was BB for 1k. Short stack moves in for 4.5k, folded to him. He looks down at his cards and takes 30 seconds to say "call" . What did he have??? AK ffs!!!!!

[Wardonkey]

I'd have gone skint too, I might have pushed on the flop rather than check-raising.

[M3boy]

I'd have gone skint too, I might have pushed on the flop rather than check-raising.

M8, was a 100% dead cert the guy bets at that pot when holding nothing - was a way of extracting a few more chips. Well, if he didnt have the 2nd nuts that is! lol

[SupaMonkey]

Is my suggestion that bad? I can't see the advantages of getting all your chips in on the flop here unless you're forced to. A check call on the flop builds the pot enough so that he calls your turn push so it's not like you need to push now.

[M3boy]

Is my suggestion that bad? I can't see the advantages of getting all your chips in on the flop here unless you're forced to. A check call on the flop builds the pot enough so that he calls your turn push so it's not like you need to push now.

Its an option - not a favorite of mine, but yes, an option.

The reason I dislike this play is :

Say he has a VERY low flush and you call his bet - he is more inclined to call the all in on the turn. Whereas he may even lay down a small flush when you check raise him on the flop

[SupaMonkey]

Fair enough and thanks for your answer.