Some hands you are destined to go broke on............

[M3boy]

Playing the Will Hill satelite at Broadway last night, down to around 30 left.

I have 18,000 with blinds 1000 2000 and am SB

Crazy crazy player (no offence as I like him) in seat one just limps in. Folded round to me in the SB so I make up with 

BB Checks

Flop 

So Ive flopped the str8, but its all hearts.

I check, BB checks, crazy guy bets 5000 into a 6000 pot.

I immediately move all in , they call and show 

Just wanted to highlight that some hands you are going broke.

Unless anyone else would of played this different?

[SupaMonkey]

It's so hard to ever give anyone credit for flopping a flush.

[Sheriff Fatman]

There are occasions when I can get away from this and others when I might take the shot.  In this situation I'd like to think that I could fold this, although heat of the moment might affect my brain compared to saying this without the pressure!

The issue is that it's not just the made flush you're afraid of, its a player with a flush draw.  Even with a lone heart in his hand you're still in coin flip territory, and are dead to a made flush.

However, what pushes me towards folding here is that you've still another player to act behind you.  Chances are that someone has a heart out there and so I'm at best coin-flipping.  I can find a better spot.

I tend to get into more trouble with these situations when I flop 2 pair or trips on these boards, as I start to consider the redraws I have (and sods law seems to always give me these hands on a monotone board!)  Made straights and low flushes are hands that are easier to escape for me.

[matt674]

Playing the Will Hill satelite at Broadway last night, down to around 30 left.

I have 18,000 with blinds 1000 2000 and am SB

Crazy crazy player (no offence as I like him) in seat one just limps in. Folded round to me in the SB so I make up with 

BB Checks

Flop 

So Ive flopped the str8, but its all hearts.

I check, BB checks, crazy guy bets 5000 into a 6000 pot.

I immediately move all in , they call and show 

Just wanted to highlight that some hands you are going broke.

Unless anyone else would of played this different?

you could always fold 6-2 o/s preflop and then you wouldnt go broke.

Yes many will say "its only 25 to call" but at the end of the day how many times do you call the 25's and the 50's, miss the flop and fold.

All those saved bets could at up when it comes to the latter stages of the tournament.

Yep indeed, great point.

I go through stages where i point blank WILL NOT call from the blinds with junk no matter how much the value is - because as Matt says - you will miss more times than hit.

But deep stacked I like to call from the SB and BB neally with ANY 2 cards - but then again I am betting out on practically any flop - except for a low flop where I will look to check raise.

Fold here for me every time

[boldie]

There are occasions when I can get away from this and others when I might take the shot.  In this situation I'd like to think that I could fold this, although heat of the moment might affect my brain compared to saying this without the pressure!

The issue is that it's not just the made flush you're afraid of, its a player with a flush draw.  Even with a lone heart in his hand you're still in coin flip territory, and are dead to a made flush.

However, what pushes me towards folding here is that you've still another player to act behind you.  Chances are that someone has a heart out there and so I'm at best coin-flipping.  I can find a better spot.

I tend to get into more trouble with these situations when I flop 2 pair or trips on these boards, as I start to consider the redraws I have (and sods law seems to always give me these hands on a monotone board!)  Made straights and low flushes are hands that are easier to escape for me.

as there are 3 hearts on the board I can fold this...boards like this scare the pants of me (whether rightly or wrongly) and heart beats you if another heart comes down and that's not even taking into account the possibility someone flopped the flush.

[SupaMonkey]

Boldie/Sheriff,

How do you play it so that you leave yourself a chance of getting away from it?

[boldie]

Boldie/Sheriff,

How do you play it so that you leave yourself a chance of getting away from it?

check fold I'm afraid. especially since the guy fired in a 5k bet..so the 11k you have left to raise him with probably will not scare him off. and you have one guy to act after you aswell.
Like I said..I despise these flops and rightly or wrongly I on't like to play them at all. I want nothing to do with them if I don't hold a heart.

[WellChief]

Check-folding here is pretty ridiculous.  In the majority of occasions your opponent only has one heart (if any) and your a 65% favourite if called and win a nice pot if he folds to the check raise.  It's pretty much impossible to get away from especially against the table maniac who could hold any two.   

[SupaMonkey]

Tbh i would bet out on that flop and i would get away if i get called and a heart comes on the turn. If i bet, blokey behind me calls and crazy bloke moves in then i would fold.

Edit: If i bet out and get two callers i may be inclined to check-fold the turn anyway. If the BB flat calls here he must be strong. If i bet, the BB folds and the crazy bloke pushes i have to pay him.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Boldie/Sheriff,

How do you play it so that you leave yourself a chance of getting away from it?

check fold I'm afraid. especially since the guy fired in a 5k bet..so the 11k you have left to raise him with probably will not scare him off. and you have one guy to act after you aswell.
Like I said..I despise these flops and rightly or wrongly I on't like to play them at all. I want nothing to do with them if I don't hold a heart.

You do make me laugh Boldie.... There is no way you check fold this flop just because there are 3 hearts!!! You have to remember this is against the table maniac who had been raising utg with 10 4 off apparently and betting when missing etc. I think this is a great spot to put them in against him. Heck, he may not even have a heart!! You cannot say that coz he fired in a 5k bet that he must have something!! I have to agree with M3, i would be going broke here, i would be check raising, as, with the short stack he had, there is no point in messing about, especially when all we want is 1st place. Oh, and i did remember what M3 and Matt said yesterday aboutmaking up from the SB, but this would be one of those instances where i would make up with my connectors.

[NoflopsHomer]

He has nine BB's. NINE! Plus I'm sure Paul wants 1st, he doesn't just want to cash. Any lead out followed by a call, is leaving him with no room to play if a heart comes on board. With the stacks as they are, I don't think anyone gets away.

[boldie]

He has nine BB's. NINE! Plus I'm sure Paul wants 1st, he doesn't just want to cash. Any lead out followed by a call, is leaving him with no room to play if a heart comes on board. With the stacks as they are, I don't think anyone gets away.

true..you flop a straight with 9BB's left (8 after limping in) you ussually check raise all in.

Like I said I despise these flops. you could bet out..but as soon as someone reraises you you have to fold. you could also flatcall (I already said I ussually don't) and thenfold if a heart comes on board.

I myself..do not put my chips in the middle when there's an all sooted board and 2 players are still in. (then again M3 is much more successfull than I am so it is no critisism to the way he played it. It's a personal thing for me boards like this 3 handed...

[Rookie (Rodney)]

 

[SupaMonkey]

He has nine BB's. NINE! Plus I'm sure Paul wants 1st, he doesn't just want to cash. Any lead out followed by a call, is leaving him with no room to play if a heart comes on board. With the stacks as they are, I don't think anyone gets away.

But the money is going in anyway. Why are you in such a rush to get it in on the flop. If you bet and then fold on a heart turn you save yourself those times when you would have been outdrawn.

[NoflopsHomer]

He has nine BB's. NINE! Plus I'm sure Paul wants 1st, he doesn't just want to cash. Any lead out followed by a call, is leaving him with no room to play if a heart comes on board. With the stacks as they are, I don't think anyone gets away.

But the money is going in anyway. Why are you in such a rush to get it in on the flop. If you bet and then fold on a heart turn you save yourself those times when you would have been outdrawn.

Errr how can you say the money is going in anyway then say fold on a heart turn? Paul is too short to play this cautiously.

If he leads out and gets called and the heart comes, he's mucking and has even less chips. The simple fact is he has no chance of folding against any hand that has him beat already. Push here and getting called, I'd still expect him to be ahead more than half the time.