serious answers please (poker winners)(and losers)

[sofa----king]

I've got a lot of respect for folk who put their hands up and say "I don't win at this"

Very profitable to cut out the holes in your game. If that hole is online poker, not appeasing an ego by continuing to bang away at it until you win, (or break even) but instead concentrating on what you are good at, is a kick-ass way to go about things.

Quitter 

thanks tank,but one thing i must say its very hard not to deposit £1k or 2 after a few good live games,when theres no live game and 0 on the tv missus gone to bed and just fancying a craic,,but no i stoped online when i stoped smoking same night lol.this is not to say you may see me online trying to qualify for wpt ept wsop i think thats a diffrent ball game anyways gl who stays online and live ,,,

[Pab]

I think people make too much about the difference between online and live poker. Its the same game, and all the same principles apply to live as they do online or vice versa. The hardest thing about live poker, at first anyway, is just being comfortable at the table, handling chips, making bets, counting opponents stacks etc.... For inexperienced live players, it happened to me when i first started playing live, i was so conscious of all my actions and movements I was not playing my normal game that has been so successful online. This comes with practice though and once you are comfortable at the table, you will be 100% concentrating on the game and if you win online, should start to win in live games as well, there is so much more to this debate but I just got up and my brain isn't functioning properly yet..

[Jon MW]

... The average weekly wage in the UK  is around £650.............(exc part timers).......

It's a little bit off topic, but I don't know where you got this figure from. The 'Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings' from the Office for National Statistics for 2005 put the average wage (exc part timers) as £517 or £431.2 (mean or median).

[ifm]

... The average weekly wage in the UK  is around £650.............(exc part timers).......

It's a little bit off topic, but I don't know where you got this figure from. The 'Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings' from the Office for National Statistics for 2005 put the average wage (exc part timers) as £517 or £431.2 (mean or median).

I spotted that too, can i have a job working for you Rob?

[robyong]

... The average weekly wage in the UK  is around £650.............(exc part timers).......

It's a little bit off topic, but I don't know where you got this figure from. The 'Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings' from the Office for National Statistics for 2005 put the average wage (exc part timers) as £517 or £431.2 (mean or median).

Aplogies if I am wrong. I though the averahe was 30,000 per annum. So I just divided that by 46 weeks and got 650 pounds. I use 46 weeks instead of 52 to compare v online to take into account paid holidays and bank holidays that a normal employer offers (which online poker does not provide!).

[kinboshi]

... The average weekly wage in the UK  is around £650.............(exc part timers).......

It's a little bit off topic, but I don't know where you got this figure from. The 'Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings' from the Office for National Statistics for 2005 put the average wage (exc part timers) as £517 or £431.2 (mean or median).

Aplogies if I am wrong. I though the average was 30,000 per annum. So I just divided that by 46 weeks and got 650 pounds. I use 46 weeks instead of 52 to compare v online to take into account paid holidays and bank holidays that a normal employer offers (which online poker does not provide!).

Think it depends on how the average is worked out.  If you use the mean - the the results are going to be skewed by the ultra-high earners. 

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285

They use the median - and it's £447 a week (2006 figures) - which is a little under £24,000 a year (using a full year) - so it's probably fair to use £30,000 as a marker. 

Although you lose some benefits from not having a 'job', there are other positive aspects, such as the elimination of any travel expenses, etc.  I'd save myself a small fortune if I got rid of my car.  Not that I'd do that though.

[Acidmouse]

Getting back to the original topic of winning or losing players.

I am a recreational player. I think over the 5-6 years I have been playing I really have just played for fun and I suppose I am about equal in terms of profit or loss.

This thread got me thinking if I actually tried (I know it sounds bizarre but normally online I just have fun, make stupid calls or moves if I am bored and generally play to pass the time) could I make a profit from poker? Can it be that hard to play low level SnG''s ($2-$10) and play a standard game (in my case tight aggressive) to grind profits?

So the last few nights I have played on Laddys and actually concentrated, thought about my game, everyhand taking my time.

To my suprise it was actually more fun making correct moves, being patient, building up a picture of the other players games and making moves on the player less on the cards.  I know its a short time to look at my results but I have doubled my bankroll. I hope its this easy!

[I, Zimbra]

To my suprise it was actually more fun making correct moves, being patient, building up a picture of the other players games and making moves on the player less on the cards.  I know its a short time to look at my results but I have doubled my bankroll. I hope its this easy!

I doubt it's quite that easy... but like most things, when the going is good it seems like the easiest thing in the world!

I can still remember playing the 10c Giveaways when I started out and playing them to win, I don't think I ever thought if it any other way (although it didn't take long to see that not everyone shared my opinion)...

The more 'seriously' you take it though, in the long run, should be reflected in your profits. Which is all to the good. (Isn't winning fun?)