serious answers please (poker winners)(and losers)

[Claw75]

I voted 'win sometimes' as well.  I've been playing about 11 months now, and it has undoubtedly cost me over that time - I have no bankroll, but that is not of concern as I am a recreational player.   I did have a spell of about 5 months where I played solely off winnings though, so for that period at least I was winning in that it wasn't costing me anything to indulge in my hobby.

[Royal Flush]

So then presumably you don't consider it worth your while to attempt to "retrain" yourself back into a cash player?

I think it would take a lot of time, and it would be very hard for me to do. I enjoy tournaments and i make a comfortable amount so i won't be switching, who knows maybe 1 day i will be winning EPT's for fun and thanking myself for making the switch!

[I, Zimbra]

So then presumably you don't consider it worth your while to attempt to "retrain" yourself back into a cash player?

I think it would take a lot of time, and it would be very hard for me to do. I enjoy tournaments and i make a comfortable amount so i won't be switching, who knows maybe 1 day i will be winning EPT's for fun and thanking myself for making the switch!

That's the spirit!

[robyong]

This is an intersting thread but because the vote options are not numeric, its not an exact science. Also, you would need a much bigger sample that the blonde forum. however, I can confirm that i know of the following statistsics based on one of the well known networks stats for 2005;

1. 24% of all player made a net profit in 2005 (after rake)
2. 14 players made over $1m in 2005

When I analyse my poker tracker which has 2 years worth of data, it tells me that winning players on the tables I have tracked is more like 27%, which is not a million miles away, so I guess this information has statistical back up behind it.

To make $1200k a week is not difficult - if you played 4 tables for 30 hours on a $2-$5 (or even $1-2 if game is good), this would only be an hourly rate per table of $10 per table hour ($1200 / 120 table hours). However, this is like doing a JOB that paid $10 per hour (okay $40, but you know what i mean, you are actually "sitting" at 4 tables).........you are just sitting in front of a screen rather that working in an office. The average weekly wage in the UK  is around £650.............(exc part timers).

To make more money, you either have to play more tables or move up in stakes. Personally, I would do more tables unless you have a big enough bankroll - 6-8 ideally and then move up in stakes. A player who really wants to focus and make money should be targetting himself at more like $2.5k per week / $10k per month, its totally realistic to achieve this with disciplined money management BUT most people dont stick to it always, me included. 

PS - one thing I forgot to mention - you have to be a better player than most of the other guys to win...........

[tantrum]

Sofa___king, I am so curious how much you make a week.  So far your confession is so absent from this thread.  I am sure you are a winning poker player with the great credentials so why don't you share your secrets of your bankroll.

[sofa----king]

Sofa___king, I am so curious how much you make a week.  So far your confession is so absent from this thread.  I am sure you are a winning poker player with the great credentials so why don't you share your secrets of your bankroll.

i have nothing to hide m8 lol online i was doing( losing) between £1k and £3-£4k a week, losing not every week but most weeks ,,,,but never ever ,ever winning online EVER,ok some heads up and a few mtt and a bit omaha but overall i never won online thats why now ive stopped,,,,
as to live cash games well, some weeks i could win anything from £1k to £10k average 2-3  a week. live tourneys ok, some weeks i win or go close quite often in the 100 re-buy every thursday in cardiff not far away, in the swansea 100 re-buy on a tuesday and for a laugh sometimes play the crazy £10 re-buy on a monday   3rd last night lol that usally gets about 100 runners pot was £4200,won a few festival re-buys,made final tables a few times. what im trying to find out is that i know the game is diffrent ,,online to live, but how come i win live and cant win p155 all online ??lol hows that?

[Royal Flush]

Sofa___king, I am so curious how much you make a week.  So far your confession is so absent from this thread.  I am sure you are a winning poker player with the great credentials so why don't you share your secrets of your bankroll.

i have nothing to hide m8 lol online i was doing( losing) between £1k and £3-£4k a week, losing not every week but most weeks ,,,,but never ever ,ever winning online EVER,ok some heads up and a few mtt and a bit omaha but overall i never won online thats why now ive stopped,,,,
as to live cash games well, some weeks i could win anything from £1k to £10k average 2-3  a week. live tourneys ok, some weeks i win or go close quite often in the 100 re-buy every thursday in cardiff not far away, in the swansea 100 re-buy on a tuesday and for a laugh sometimes play the crazy £10 re-buy on a monday   3rd last night lol that usally gets about 100 runners pot was £4200,won a few festival re-buys,made final tables a few times. what im trying to find out is that i know the game is diffrent ,,online to live, but how come i win live and cant win p155 all online ??lol hows that?

Maybe the standard online is better....

[sofa----king]

Sofa___king, I am so curious how much you make a week.  So far your confession is so absent from this thread.  I am sure you are a winning poker player with the great credentials so why don't you share your secrets of your bankroll.

i have nothing to hide m8 lol online i was doing( losing) between £1k and £3-£4k a week, losing not every week but most weeks ,,,,but never ever ,ever winning online EVER,ok some heads up and a few mtt and a bit omaha but overall i never won online thats why now ive stopped,,,,
as to live cash games well, some weeks i could win anything from £1k to £10k average 2-3  a week. live tourneys ok, some weeks i win or go close quite often in the 100 re-buy every thursday in cardiff not far away, in the swansea 100 re-buy on a tuesday and for a laugh sometimes play the crazy £10 re-buy on a monday   3rd last night lol that usally gets about 100 runners pot was £4200,won a few festival re-buys,made final tables a few times. what im trying to find out is that i know the game is diffrent ,,online to live, but how come i win live and cant win p155 all online ??lol hows that?

Maybe the standard online is better....

i wouldnt like to tell the fish that i play with that lol good point but i dont think so m8,,mind you i play 6 card omaha live  cash, maybee im just chite at holdem???lol i am feared a bit mind around the world

[tantrum]

Oh sofa___king you are so great, please, please marry me.

[sofa----king]

Oh sofa___king you are so great, please, please marry me.

im already married otherwise i might think about it >:? put a pic up here i see if i change my mind lol ,,,you nutter

[tantrum]

Don't change your mind, my sense of humour has expired

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Maybe it's because most people on blonde seem to play tourneys that they don't get how much money there is in cash games atm.

Exactly that, i wish everyday nearly that i had never switched to tournaments as it has ruined my NL cash game.

seriously?

Yep, don't get me wrong i enjoy comps and i make enough money, it's just if i had stuck to cash then i think i would be making much more than i do now.

But your a fish

[Royal Flush]

Sofa___king, I am so curious how much you make a week.  So far your confession is so absent from this thread.  I am sure you are a winning poker player with the great credentials so why don't you share your secrets of your bankroll.

i have nothing to hide m8 lol online i was doing( losing) between £1k and £3-£4k a week, losing not every week but most weeks ,,,,but never ever ,ever winning online EVER,ok some heads up and a few mtt and a bit omaha but overall i never won online thats why now ive stopped,,,,
as to live cash games well, some weeks i could win anything from £1k to £10k average 2-3  a week. live tourneys ok, some weeks i win or go close quite often in the 100 re-buy every thursday in cardiff not far away, in the swansea 100 re-buy on a tuesday and for a laugh sometimes play the crazy £10 re-buy on a monday   3rd last night lol that usally gets about 100 runners pot was £4200,won a few festival re-buys,made final tables a few times. what im trying to find out is that i know the game is diffrent ,,online to live, but how come i win live and cant win p155 all online ??lol hows that?

Maybe the standard online is better....

i wouldnt like to tell the fish that i play with that lol good point but i dont think so m8,,mind you i play 6 card omaha live  cash, maybee im just chite at holdem???lol i am feared a bit mind around the world

In my experience live cash is a lot easier than online.

[thetank]

I've got a lot of respect for folk who put their hands up and say "I don't win at this"

Very profitable to cut out the holes in your game. If that hole is online poker, not appeasing an ego by continuing to bang away at it until you win, (or break even) but instead concentrating on what you are good at, is a kick-ass way to go about things.

Quitter 

[Newmanseye]

I Know I'm losing online, however and this is strange, since my ban from cincins i am losing less on-line than before, I find the biggest weakness in my game is on-line MTT's, I really don't understand why, I have a few theory's but I'm not 100% yet. 

I know its still costing me money but my losing % is dropping and if the trend continues I may turn that corner, ( i just need to learn to laydown queens to a 3rd raise  and stop pulling moves in daft spots). lol

Now my records from Live cash are pretty respectable, my peak is £43 per hour, but its totally out of sync due to my absence  from the live game.

BTW I like that structure rob Yong posted, I will give that a go starting next week and see how it compares.