Ignore the lucky river

[TightEnd]

Help me with a leak in my game..I think

5 hands into a session, no info on foe

Should I be passing to the raise on the flop OOP to a random foe?

I check call turn with a view to doing same on anything that looks like a value bet on non club river. Yes/no?

I feel AK is unlikely,

clubs or A 10, maybe 10 10, all possible

Been having trouble with these tricky hands OOP in cash, where you hit a flop and face action from the guy in position..stuck between laying down but feeling weak or going with it and often finding a guy is rasing with a hand that indeed beats me as you would expect

all advice welcome..even pre flop advice. Thanks



$2-4 NLHE, tribecca


Seat 8 : Natrykris in cut off has $274
Seat 9 : foe on button has $309.75

all others fold
Seat 8 : Natrykris has As

Natrykris called $4 and raised $10
foe called $14

 Dealing flop.
 Board cards [ ]
 Natrykris bet $25
 foe called $25 and raised $50
 Natrykris called $50

 Dealing turn.
 Board cards [ ]
 Natrykris checked.
 foe bet $64
 Natrykris called $64

 Dealing river.
 Board cards [ ]
 Natrykris bet $121 and is All-in
 foe called $121

 Seat 8 : Natrykris has As

 Natrykris has Straight AKQJT, wins $551
 foe mucks

As I say, ignore river, got lucky. Interesting call by him on river without Q though.
 

 

[elblondie]

This is a tough one as he didnt re-raise pre-flop. So it is v. difficult to put him on AA KK AK and many players would re-pop with 10 10 as well. Many players would not have called the raise pre-flop with A 10. Ok maybe he has JQ suited but that would also be a loose call.
I'm afraid I have him on a pair of but he could be playing any other hand badly.

I certainly wouldnt worry about leaks in your game here. This is impossible to judge. If he slow played a big hand good luck to him.
just my opinion anyways

[bobby1]

Help me with a leak in my game..I think

5 hands into a session, no info on foe

Should I be passing to the raise on the flop OOP to a random foe?

I check call turn with a view to doing same on anything that looks like a value bet on non club river. Yes/no?

I feel AK is unlikely,

clubs or A 10, maybe 10 10, all possible

Been having trouble with these tricky hands OOP in cash, where you hit a flop and face action from the guy in position..stuck between laying down but feeling weak or going with it and often finding a guy is rasing with a hand that indeed beats me as you would expect

all advice welcome..even pre flop advice. Thanks



$2-4 NLHE, tribecca


Seat 8 : Natrykris in cut off has $274
Seat 9 : foe on button has $309.75

all others fold
Seat 8 : Natrykris has As

Natrykris called $4 and raised $10
foe called $14

 Dealing flop.
 Board cards [ ]
 Natrykris bet $25
 foe called $25 and raised $50
 Natrykris called $50

 Dealing turn.
 Board cards [ ]
 Natrykris checked.
 foe bet $64
 Natrykris called $64

 Dealing river.
 Board cards [ ]
 Natrykris bet $121 and is All-in
 foe called $121

 Seat 8 : Natrykris has As

 Natrykris has Straight AKQJT, wins $551
 foe mucks

As I say, ignore river, got lucky. Interesting call by him on river without Q though.
 

 

I have to say I feel I play this kind of hand poorly too but I think I pass on the flop to the raise. As for Daves's thoughts re calling raises with ace 10 and the like at this level I think these hands are a deffo possibility tho I maybe Im just too damn tight weak.....

[bobby1]

Tighty,

I'm interested to hear if you think you would play this hand differently if you had been playing longer in the session and were either winning or stuck.

regards

[snoopy1239]

I would have min raised him back on the Flop and folded if he raised again.

Tricky one.

[totalise]

I would have min riased him back on the Flop and folded if he raised again.

Tricky one.

have you seen his stack size?

[TightEnd]

Tighty,

I'm interested to hear if you think you would play this hand differently if you had been playing longer in the session and were either winning or stuck.

regards

Interesting...I try not to play any differently if winning or stuck....player notes if available though can change plans in a particular hand.

If I thought he was loose agg I'd certainly be more inclined to reraise on flop thinking I was winning and widening his range to include rag aces, medium pairs and non nut flush draws. Here I just didn't know, kept the range tight and assumed I was losing on flop..and wanted to keep pot small on turn by check calling.

why do you ask incidentally? how would being winning or stuck change your way of playing this?

[bobby1]

Tighty,

I'm interested to hear if you think you would play this hand differently if you had been playing longer in the session and were either winning or stuck.

regards

Interesting...I try not to play any differently if winning or stuck....player notes if available though can change plans in a particular hand.

If I thought he was loose agg I'd certainly be more inclined to reraise on flop thinking I was winning and widening his range to include rag aces, medium pairs and non nut flush draws. Here I just didn't know, kept the range tight and assumed I was losing on flop..and wanted to keep pot small on turn by check calling.

why do you ask incidentally? how would being winning or stuck change your way of playing this?

Hi Tighty,

I ask that because I am interested to see if a regular cash player at the same level I play can identify with something I do, something I think is a weakness in my approach.

I personally find the opening hands of a session are very important to a good session, both financially and mindset wise and I feel I play hands differently sometimes.

My mindset in that hand would be, I dont want to call here coz I may be behind and I don't yet know if this guy is capable of min bluffing here or not AND I dont want to start a session losing almost a table buy in.

If this hand comes up later and I am winning a nice amount I prob also pass, If I am stuck I think I am more likely to kinda convince myself that I am in front....he is drawing/bluffing etc etc and gamble. This is the reason I tend to have many good solid sessions and then stack myself in others.

My patience and keeping level headed if winning or losing used to be great, I think its got worse and probably coz I can afford many more buy ins I have got sloppy in some cases.

regards

[AlexMartin]

Depends on the player but i 4table those games and they are rocky.

When he raises on the flop i think he's probably protecting his hand, so AK/A10 likely, im ruling out K10 but with deep stacks he might be taking a shot to stack you if he thinks you will marrty an overpair.

The betting patter, particularly his call on the river lends me to think he has trip 10's.

Read a strong article recently by Negreanu who basically argued for only playing these pots for small amounts when out of position. In this type of game these horribly marginal pots are best dodged, gl tighty.

[Dubai]

Whole hand looks 100% standard to me.

[Smart Money]

I'd probably call the flop raise, but would often check/fold on the turn.

They key is often down to the info on your opponent, and if you have none then you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

He almost certainly had TT or AK. These hands should not typically re-raise pre-flop in full-handed cash. Of course something like is quite possible, hence the flop call to see if he's checking the turn.

Even AT is quite likely to call, rather than raise the flop, and any other Ace is very unlikely to raise here and bet the turn. The fact he called the river bet without a queen, would lead me to believe he was playing a set of tens.

[Canuck]

I think you played it well. I would say he had AT or TT. If he had TT his bet on the turn may be a bit too small, but if he had AT his bet was definitely too small as I think I would bet the pot rather then what he did in betting 1/2 the pot.

[ariston]

i would not get myself in that position if i could avoid it with a trap hand like AQ. When raised on the flop you need to define your hand(if you want to proceed with it) imo by min reraising as snoops said. This would have to be done for information purposes, ie you are folding if he pushes. The reraise from him on the flop screams TTT or AK/AT to me tbh and I would probably just be releasing the top pair hand here. On such a coordinated board top pair is rarely good when faced with a post flop reraise.

[byronkincaid]

When raised on the flop you need to define your hand

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=18222.0

Would love to see some more debate on this. I still don't understand why flushy is saying not to do this.

[ariston]

flushy may not know how to define his hand as he is not a cash player (although defining your hand is key in tourneys as well, especially live). poker is a game of information and by calling on the reraise on the flop you haven't got a clue where you are in the hand in the above example. A min reraise will tell you where you are (although a fold is the better move in this instance).