Poker Pros not going to the WSOP?

[I KNOW IT]

Don't most pro's (who aren't already bought in by their sponsors) win their seat online or in satellites nowadays - its a $100 crapshoot for $12000000 then not $10000?

I had this chat with Maxfield and he said there are far more value events through out the year around the world than the WSOP. Why play the best in the world day in, day out  if you want to make money. Far more opputunities around throughout the year.

Yes there are - but if you can win a seat into the WSOP main event for $500 where the bottom prize is going to be somewhere in the region of $14-15000 with so much "dead money" (you probably wont come across any of the best players in the world in a tournament this size for the first 3 days when you'll already be in the money!) then how can this not be value?

I'd much rather take my chances in the WSOP main event for $500 with all the internet qualifiers than in a £1000 Festival main event here in the UK value wise.

A lot of the pros also look at the higher limit side action, which is apparently alot softer in the likes of Tunica, plus the expenses can be much cheaper than Las Vegas

[tikay]

Joe Beevers gets it right....

You are mad Ariston, completely mad!

[Sark79]

I was thinking about the high limit STT players on Stars the other day.  Most of them are playing about 5 tables and this includes the $2000+ buy in games.  All they need to do is not play those for a night and they have their entry in the bag. 

Doesn't that assume they lose the 10k every night?

Yea, it does now that I read it again , lol.   

[I KNOW IT]

Why play the best in the world day in, day out  if you want to make money.

Because many play for ego.

Very true, but most go skint playing that way

[ariston]

Understand what you are saying Joe but I am in a minority where I would rather sit on a table with you and the mob together with the Hachems of this world. I struggle against absolute numpties and at least against the good players I know what they are up to and they understand where I am in a hand. I am probably one of the only players who would rather play with good players than bad. My best performances over the last few years have been in events where I am sat with the likes of Hachem etc although its obviously a fault in my game that I only seem to really perform when sat with good players. The only "cash" I had in last years wsop was a single table affair with DC, Wilson, Goodwin and the others from the house of cards together with some of the other pros that were present- I honestly felt within 10 minutes of it starting I would win that table (even before I played a hand). In the Rio however I did suffer a real lack of confidence after the first few early exits. I said I wasn't going last year then changed my mind around March but this year I still haven't had a change of heart yet and we are nearly in April.

[I KNOW IT]

I wouldn't class myself as a pro neccessarily but I have done the wsop for the last few years. 2 years ago we had the robbery and then last year the few of us went together didn't manage a cash in about 40 events between us and generally got treated like something you trod in by the wsop organisers. The problems with the wsop are well documented and they are trying to make changes this year but I for one wont be going along with quite a few I know of as there are many better events to play with a bigger EV. Even if you are freerolling on sponsors money (as I have been lucky enough to do) you still only get so much money for buyins each year and I feel it can be put to better use at many other events like the Bellagio festivals or EPT grand final.

You are mad Ariston, completely mad! I agree that the treatment of players by WSOP organisers could be improved but as for looking for a better tournament to play...

I posted this on thehendonmob forum in reply to the same OP.

Quote:
Maybe they dont see the point in playing in a $10000 crapshoot

The WSOP Championship event is the best tournament in the calendar (Harrahs excepted) and if I could only play one tournament a year that would be it. I know that many other players share this view. The only reasons that a player would miss the event are age or personal circumstances but never through choice.

There are so many $10,000 stacks that just don't know what they are doing and this is the easiest event for a player to cash $million plus. I've just got to work out how to do it myself.

Well Maxfield doesnt fall into either catagory,age or personal circumstances, so that doesnt run true.
I agree with the opputunity of scoring a big payday,easier said than done, in the WSOP main event but honestly Joe if you had to finance the whole 2 months of the WSOP yourself would you? or would you look for more +EV opputunities throughout the year elsewhere. Remember this is about the whole WSOP not just the main event

[JoeBeevers]

I wouldn't class myself as a pro neccessarily but I have done the wsop for the last few years. 2 years ago we had the robbery and then last year the few of us went together didn't manage a cash in about 40 events between us and generally got treated like something you trod in by the wsop organisers. The problems with the wsop are well documented and they are trying to make changes this year but I for one wont be going along with quite a few I know of as there are many better events to play with a bigger EV. Even if you are freerolling on sponsors money (as I have been lucky enough to do) you still only get so much money for buyins each year and I feel it can be put to better use at many other events like the Bellagio festivals or EPT grand final.

You are mad Ariston, completely mad! I agree that the treatment of players by WSOP organisers could be improved but as for looking for a better tournament to play...

I posted this on thehendonmob forum in reply to the same OP.

Quote:
Maybe they dont see the point in playing in a $10000 crapshoot

The WSOP Championship event is the best tournament in the calendar (Harrahs excepted) and if I could only play one tournament a year that would be it. I know that many other players share this view. The only reasons that a player would miss the event are age or personal circumstances but never through choice.

There are so many $10,000 stacks that just don't know what they are doing and this is the easiest event for a player to cash $million plus. I've just got to work out how to do it myself.

Well Maxfield doesnt fall into either catagory,age or personal circumstances, so that doesnt run true.
I agree with the opputunity of scoring a big payday,easier said than done, in the WSOP main event but honestly Joe if you had to finance the whole 2 months of the WSOP yourself would you? or would you look for more +EV opputunities throughout the year elsewhere. Remember this is about the whole WSOP not just the main event

I know Paul very well and I think he's a great tournament player. I never understand why he doesn't play the circuit more. He is entitled to disagree with me and often does :-)

The original poster talks about a '$10,000 crap shoot' and I am refering only to the $10,000 main event not the whole series.

[booder]

you coming to the Blonde Bash  Joe ?

[I KNOW IT]

I wouldn't class myself as a pro neccessarily but I have done the wsop for the last few years. 2 years ago we had the robbery and then last year the few of us went together didn't manage a cash in about 40 events between us and generally got treated like something you trod in by the wsop organisers. The problems with the wsop are well documented and they are trying to make changes this year but I for one wont be going along with quite a few I know of as there are many better events to play with a bigger EV. Even if you are freerolling on sponsors money (as I have been lucky enough to do) you still only get so much money for buyins each year and I feel it can be put to better use at many other events like the Bellagio festivals or EPT grand final.

You are mad Ariston, completely mad! I agree that the treatment of players by WSOP organisers could be improved but as for looking for a better tournament to play...

I posted this on thehendonmob forum in reply to the same OP.

Quote:
Maybe they dont see the point in playing in a $10000 crapshoot

The WSOP Championship event is the best tournament in the calendar (Harrahs excepted) and if I could only play one tournament a year that would be it. I know that many other players share this view. The only reasons that a player would miss the event are age or personal circumstances but never through choice.

There are so many $10,000 stacks that just don't know what they are doing and this is the easiest event for a player to cash $million plus. I've just got to work out how to do it myself.

Well Maxfield doesnt fall into either catagory,age or personal circumstances, so that doesnt run true.
I agree with the opputunity of scoring a big payday,easier said than done, in the WSOP main event but honestly Joe if you had to finance the whole 2 months of the WSOP yourself would you? or would you look for more +EV opputunities throughout the year elsewhere. Remember this is about the whole WSOP not just the main event

I know Paul very well and I think he's a great tournament player. I never understand why he doesn't play the circuit more. He is entitled to disagree with me and often does :-)

The original poster talks about a '$10,000 crap shoot' and I am refering only to the $10,000 main event not the whole series.

Apologies Joe, I missread the OP post, I took it that he meant the whole WSOP series.
What are your opinions on the WHOLE WSOP then. Would you go elsewhere or rather play the WSOP

[JoeBeevers]

you coming to the Blonde Bash  Joe ?

Unfortunately it clashes with the WPT Championship at the Bellagio

I KNOW IT - I love being at the WSOP although it's not the same as it used to be Downtown. We tried to play as many WSOP events as possible a few years ago and the result was a bad one. Certainly some of the events I would not consider, and this year I will only be in Vegas for 2-3 weeks hand picking about 5 or 6 different events. I will be playing the big PLO events and the NLH and PLH 6 handed events as well as the main event.

[tikay]

you coming to the Blonde Bash  Joe ?

Unfortunately it clashes with the WPT Championship at the Bellagio

I KNOW IT - I love being at the WSOP although it's not the same as it used to be Downtown. We tried to play as many WSOP events as possible a few years ago and the result was a bad one. Certainly some of the events I would not consider, and this year I will only be in Vegas for 2-3 weeks hand picking about 5 or 6 different events. I will be playing the big PLO events and the NLH and PLH 6 handed events as well as the main event.

Not if you flew straight back after winning it.

You need a better excuse Joe.

[Ironside]

yeah better excuse need joe your the only mobster i havent had the pleasure of playing on the felt

[RoyCropper]

The $10k main event is the biggest live donkfest on the planet and any reasonable
player should be able to qualify in sats for less than $5k.
The other events are great value too.
I played in about 13 last year and the general standard of play was appalling.
Tournaments full of fish and with massive prize money, day after day, is a professionals dream.
I did my `bollockers' there last year but will be going back every year without hesitation.
If you dont have the roll to play more than a couple of tournaments then play the stt's in the Rio or the cash games
to build a roll. Pitiful is the only word I can think of that describes how many people play in those games.
Also, as a lover of gambling, fine wine/dining, nights out, sun, classy hotels, and places with a buzz, Vegas is
Utopia.
No matter how badly I do my brains I cannot fail to have a great time out there.

[The Baron]

I wouldn't class myself as a pro neccessarily but I have done the wsop for the last few years. 2 years ago we had the robbery and then last year the few of us went together didn't manage a cash in about 40 events between us and generally got treated like something you trod in by the wsop organisers. The problems with the wsop are well documented and they are trying to make changes this year but I for one wont be going along with quite a few I know of as there are many better events to play with a bigger EV. Even if you are freerolling on sponsors money (as I have been lucky enough to do) you still only get so much money for buyins each year and I feel it can be put to better use at many other events like the Bellagio festivals or EPT grand final.

You are mad Ariston, completely mad! I agree that the treatment of players by WSOP organisers could be improved but as for looking for a better tournament to play...

I posted this on thehendonmob forum in reply to the same OP.

Quote:
Maybe they dont see the point in playing in a $10000 crapshoot

The WSOP Championship event is the best tournament in the calendar (Harrahs excepted) and if I could only play one tournament a year that would be it. I know that many other players share this view. The only reasons that a player would miss the event are age or personal circumstances but never through choice.

There are so many $10,000 stacks that just don't know what they are doing and this is the easiest event for a player to cash $million plus. I've just got to work out how to do it myself.

Top post.

Surely the difference between good and bad players is multiplied when the stacks are deep and the clock is slow?

This is the reason why I think the double starting chips for smaller WSOP events this year will mean a better chance for better players.