Spidey senses

[temp0r]

solid TAGs at this limit would want to know where they are by the turn though.

[TightEnd]

I'm a TAG?


By the way I bet flop and turn c3/4 of the pot each versus another TAG and when it came to river I still didn't know where I was....by the end I correctly deduced the chances were I was behind

[UpTheMariners]

if you bet a 3rd of the pot on the river you would get action of aq, aj. it's a cutoff raise so i still think aq & aj are possible defence from the blinds.

[doubleup]

if you bet a 3rd of the pot on the river you would get action of aq, aj. it's a cutoff raise so i still think aq & aj are possible defence from the blinds.

Hmmm the problem with making these weak river bets is that you are begging to be check-raised and that can lead you into some tough spots.  If you are good enough to get the resulting decisions correct then ok, but I'm not, so I think that any extra value I would gain from the river bet would disappear in one or two bad mistakes.

[Longy]

if you bet a 3rd of the pot on the river you would get action of aq, aj. it's a cutoff raise so i still think aq & aj are possible defence from the blinds.

Hmmm the problem with making these weak river bets is that you are begging to be check-raised and that can lead you into some tough spots.  If you are good enough to get the resulting decisions correct then ok, but I'm not, so I think that any extra value I would gain from the river bet would disappear in one or two bad mistakes.

Given this is 2/4 a check raise from a small river bet becomes a possibilty. I would be interested in how often this happens at the mid/high stakes games, if you are c/r'd on the river 100NL or below your opponent has a monster like 99% of the time.

Also as I have learnt i use to think I was a TAG and i was wrong i was in fact a weak tight nit, in this situation if you only ever double barrel with a hand as strong ak, you are NOT a TAG.

Meh maybe this is why i don't play full ring anymore if I can't vbet ak here, i have no interest in playing this type of game.

[AlexMartin]

I think mariners line is right. V bet it then get away from a raise.

[totalise]

if you bet a 3rd of the pot on the river you would get action of aq, aj. it's a cutoff raise so i still think aq & aj are possible defence from the blinds.

Hmmm the problem with making these weak river bets is that you are begging to be check-raised and that can lead you into some tough spots.  If you are good enough to get the resulting decisions correct then ok, but I'm not, so I think that any extra value I would gain from the river bet would disappear in one or two bad mistakes.

I think given the read from tighty, the chances of this guy c/r the river on a bluff happens so rarely you dont need to worry about getting pushed off the best hand.. I mean, what hand does he get to the river like this, given his read, that will suddenly c/r the river on a bluff? The only hands that might do it are one pair hands like A/x that are turning their hand into a bluff to get better aces/aces up to fold, but that doesn't really correlate with the image tighty gives us.

Whether he would call 3 streets against  tightys likely image with AQ AJ is another thing, so I think that betting/not betting here has to correlate with the overall play of the session, for a looser player, betting is correct, for a tightwad, checking is prolly best.

Meh maybe this is why i don't play full ring anymore if I can't vbet ak here, i have no interest in playing this type of game.

qft

[vegaslover]

i was gonna say a solid TAG at that limit will very rarely check-call twice without two pair at least.
wp by just checking behind. you can take comfort in the fact he probably cursed you for it!

I agree. Having passed to flop bets twice previously, the calls to your flop and turn bets indicates a set all day for me. Good check saved you here. As stated you didn't have enough info betting up to the river and was only likely to lose more money trying to find out what you saw for free by checking.