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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2008, 03:01:35 PM »

but i'm CL with a very loose image and a solid hand which i should exploit by shoving, so many hands i beat will call given my image.

We are also bubble time and he's been standard tag so good chance he folds too.


You can't have it both ways.

Anyway I take the Sklansky cop out - if a decision is clearly very close then folding isn't likely to affect your long term ev.

not sure what you mean, i think he might call with hands i beat and i think he may fold them as well, either is fine by me. Am i missing something in my thinking?

Not sure what point you are making - a big all in with TT will always be a dog against a tightish players calling range.  Thats not to say that ai is ev-.  I just think that there is more ev from maintaining your dominant stack and continuing to pressure up to the bubble.  But as I said it's a marginal decision anyway so prob not crucially important.

I think the bubble and my image are a far bigger aspect in the decision than would normally be the case, bubble means he may fold good hands or he may just decide i'm at it again and think that he will  be racing me with a worse pair or may have me dominated with AJ-AK.

just saying that these are 2 lines he may take either of which i'm happy with.
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2008, 03:20:54 PM »


I think you are wrong in believing that you will get called much here by 99 or worse.  For one thing he is going to get to see your hand and he can call you a w*nker if you have crap and the ai player survives.
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2008, 03:30:11 PM »


I think you are wrong in believing that you will get called much here by 99 or worse.  For one thing he is going to get to see your hand and he can call you a w*nker if you have crap and the ai player survives.

does anybody fold a pair pre flop anymore?

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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2008, 03:58:38 PM »

Calling here is the worst of all three options.

Anyway, pwn the bubble!! Shove.
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2008, 04:14:22 PM »

I fold, with my luck he has   
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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2008, 07:29:06 PM »

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For one thing he is going to get to see your hand and he can call you a w*nker if you have crap and the ai player survives.

This is actually a significant statement by doubleup. It is because of this that your oppo isn't usually going to treble the all-in bet with anything he is going to be ashamed to table.....HE doesn't want to look like the w*nker!...who keeps the ss alive around bubble time. He also has the aggressive CL behind him AND it's bubble time. Make no mistake, he is not bluffing here.

As the CL, if you don't put your chips in aggressively and you're not trapping then why would you put your chips in at all?? Why would you even entertain calling with a medium pair, oop, around the bubble, against an oppo who has a hand and plenty of chips??

Yes you COULD push, but why? If you have just eaten a big fat steak and you're full you would turn down a curry. That doesn't mean the curry isn't nice, or you could murder one on another day, just that there's no immediate need for it right now. Just like playing the 10's.

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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2008, 07:41:26 PM »


Yes you COULD push, but why? If you have just eaten a big fat steak and you're full you would turn down a curry. That doesn't mean the curry isn't nice, or you could murder one on another day, just that there's no immediate need for it right now. Just like playing the 10's.



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There is no way im turning down a good curry no matter what the circumstances.
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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2008, 07:45:33 PM »

Calling here is the worst of all three options.

It's also the option i would use Cheesy
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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2008, 07:53:09 PM »

I fold, with my luck he has    , I outdraw him, go on to win comp, poker site realise I have won every single sat they have run for the past year and to give someone else a chance buy me in to a full year of GUKPT's and GBPT's alongside all the WSOP events the 25K Bellagio and Monte Carlo EPT

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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2008, 02:33:24 PM »

Calling here is the worst of all three options.

It's also the option i would use Cheesy

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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2008, 10:20:50 PM »

Jesus chirst calling is so awful here. Shove or fold
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