What should I do next??

[EvilPie]

DTD cash game 1/2. 9 handed.

I'm sat with £154, everyone else is similar not sure of exact figures.

I'm in the big blind with 

Action is fold, fold, fold, raise to 15, call, raise to 25 (had to make this a call for 15 as under raised with 1 chip), fold, call, I CALL.

So we've got 5 players in a £75 pot.

Flop comes 

Small blind checks, I decide to lead out £22 hoping to take the pot now with my open ended straight (mistake?? let me know?)

Initial raiser (the aggressive danger player) folds, next guy folds, guy who'd tried the raise before calls then it's fold so just the 2 of us left with the pot now at £119

A little bit about the other guy. He's very difficult to read. He's not often a caller, he either raises or folds. He's been married to kk and qq already and called small bets with an ace on board and lost decent pots. He's folded to big raises a couple of times after seeming strong early in the hand. Not got much more cos we've not been here very long.

Turn comes 

I bet £20 wanting him to think that I want the call and he min raises to £40

What now?? I've got a decent pair but not great. I've got a good draw and can maybe represent the flush draw as well. So what's my next move?

Help please........

[Royal Flush]

Pass pre....

[TheChipPrince]

Your drawing slim, even dead, pass...

[LuckyLloyd]

Pass pre....

This is really, really, really important. Learn to play very tight from the blinds and you should automatically see an improvement in your sessions due to the fact that you avoid putting yourself in fundamentally difficult and unprofitable situations.

As played, call the minraise to 40. If you catch a straight or a Jack on the river get the rest in. Fold otherwise. Also, have at least £200 in front of you in a 1 / 2 game.

[Longy]

Passing preflop is my preferred option, you are not deep enough to get the correct implied odds from your hand imo. Which is a reason for being fully topped up to £200.

I like to play my draws aggressively but this is a pretty crappy spot to do it. Its a live game likely to be full of calling stations, so i would guess you have to close to no fold equity, which is what you bet is essentially trying to achieve. I would go into check/call or check/fold mode depending on the action.

As played just check the turn and hope for a free card you pair/draw are now both pretty mediocre. As played i would pitch it quite quickly the whole bet/call, bet/check min raise line is so super strong its unfunny. As chipprince says we are likely to be drawing pretty thin or even dead.

[Longy]

As played, call the minraise to 40. If you catch a straight or a Jack on the river get the rest in. Fold otherwise. Also, have at least £200 in front of you in a 1 / 2 game.

I think calling here has massive reverse implied odds, you catch your card and you are still not sure where you are.

[AlexMartin]

As played, call the minraise to 40. If you catch a straight or a Jack on the river get the rest in. Fold otherwise. Also, have at least £200 in front of you in a 1 / 2 game.

I think calling here has massive reverse implied odds, you catch your card and you are still not sure where you are.

im in agreement here. Its a preflop pass for sure. Dont like the idea of calling the min raise, think in this type of game multiway its too likely ur drawing dead. as played, fold the turn.

Also the flop bet really tilts me, ur practically broadcasting you have a drawing hand. Tell me, do you make that same bet with 555? Just check call the flop, building the pot oop with a weak hand multiway is not good poker.

[EvilPie]

Thanks for all the responses. I knew I'd done everything wrong I just needed it confirming.

I can't believe I didn't fold pre flop. I never play these sort of hands but just thought I'd have a look and see if I got lucky. There's nothing worse that getting half lucky and not knowing where you are is there??

I actually pushed after the turn hoping that he'd fold (praying more like  )

He thought for a while then said I'm ready to go home anyway (implying that he thought he was behind) and showed  . That killed 6 of my outs and the  on the river filled his royal flush.

All in all a big lesson learned that I should stick to the game I know best (tight) and not try to be clever.

TBH if I'd played my tight game I'd probably have done quite well. the hyper aggressive guy was there for the taking and just loved showing his bluffs.

Thanks again all 

[jakally]

I can't believe I didn't fold pre flop. I never play these sort of hands but just thought I'd have a look and see if I got lucky.

All in all a big lesson learned that I should stick to the game I know best (tight) and not try to be clever.

TBH if I'd played my tight game I'd probably have done quite well. the hyper aggressive guy was there for the taking and just loved showing his bluffs.

Thanks again all 

Live poker is very slow (compared to online), and the temptation is to start playing weaker hands / out of position etc..., more out of boredom than anything else.

If you find yourself starting to do this, you are best to go home, or go and play a smaller game (£0.50/£1) and chuck some chips around and have some fun.

The standard in Live Cash poker is mostly shocking, but to make a profit you need to exploit the fish, not copy them.

[EvilPie]

I can't believe I didn't fold pre flop. I never play these sort of hands but just thought I'd have a look and see if I got lucky.

All in all a big lesson learned that I should stick to the game I know best (tight) and not try to be clever.

TBH if I'd played my tight game I'd probably have done quite well. the hyper aggressive guy was there for the taking and just loved showing his bluffs.

Thanks again all 

Live poker is very slow (compared to online), and the temptation is to start playing weaker hands / out of position etc..., more out of boredom than anything else.

If you find yourself starting to do this, you are best to go home, or go and play a smaller game (£0.50/£1) and chuck some chips around and have some fun.

The standard in Live Cash poker is mostly shocking, but to make a profit you need to exploit the fish, not copy them.

Tip taken on board. Thanks.

It's strange because I'm a really patient tournament player and usually go quite deep with some very steady play. That night though I'd busted out early so decided to play cash.

Maybe I was on tilt after my silly tournament exit, AK with AQ on the board and foolishly couldn't get away, (if I told you the action you'd see why I said foolishly, it was obvious!!). Again uncharacteristic.

Good job I only had £160 in my pocket or it could've been a lot worse. Hopefully it was just a bad night but I've taken a lot from it and appreciate everyones's comments.

Feel free to post more.......

Even if it's just to tell me I'm a fool

Sometimes a dose of the truth helps.

Thanks again 

[mondatoo]

Also the flop bet really tilts me, ur practically broadcasting you have a drawing hand. Tell me, do you make that same bet with 555? Just check call the flop, building the pot oop with a weak hand multiway is not good poker.
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Just out of interest if you did have 555 would u not stlll bet it although a bit stronger than less than 1/3 of the pot

[EvilPie]

Also the flop bet really tilts me, ur practically broadcasting you have a drawing hand. Tell me, do you make that same bet with 555? Just check call the flop, building the pot oop with a weak hand multiway is not good poker.

Just out of interest if you did have 555 would u not stlll bet it although a bit stronger than less than 1/3 of the pot

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I always bet out with trips. I like to build the pot as quick as possible when I've got a strong hand. If everyone folds then so be it I'll have the pot.

Only exception would be if I'd called a raise in the SB or BB and an ace hit the board. I'd then give the other guy an opportunity to bet his ace first then I'd slow play it to death hoping he put me on a weaker ace.

I think reassessing the hand I could've taken it down with a stronger bet on the flop. Like I said the guy was a folder or raiser and he only had ace high with an insde straight draw and back door flush.

After the turn he was never folding and I stupidly gave him the odds to see the turn.

Anyone else think he would've folded to a stronger flop bet? If so how much would it take?

[mondatoo]

I would also be betting my trips as there are st8 and flush draws on board just wondered if alex was saying he would checked it as i would be worried it would get checked round (unlikely as that is) then get drawn out on

He woud've folded to a stronger bet i would've thought seen as he only had a gut shot at that point probly a bet of around 60 should've been good otherwise he's just a bit of a donk and u would've played hand ok in my opinion (worthless as that is lol)

[AlexMartin]

I would also be betting my trips as there are st8 and flush draws on board just wondered if alex was saying he would checked it as i would be worried it would get checked round (unlikely as that is) then get drawn out on

He woud've folded to a stronger bet i would've thought seen as he only had a gut shot at that point probly a bet of around 60 should've been good otherwise he's just a bit of a donk and u would've played hand ok in my opinion (worthless as that is lol)

Depends, sometimes we check raise, sometimes we lead, other times we check call. But this bet here looks a lot like what it is, a weak semibluff with a hand that cant tolerate a large raise. I would deffo be sticking it up hero in villains shoes a lot here, ur range of very strong made hands is tiny (55/Q10) and ur range of drawy hands is huge.

[EvilPie]

So are we saying that my main mistake wasn't necessarily the pre flop call but the weak bet after the flop?

Obviously it was the initial call that got me in trouble in the first place but I could've got out of it £60 to the good with a strong bet on the flop which didn't give him any calling odds?

Is this a move that anybody would consider if they had nice deep pockets? Don't worry about your own cards just bet strong so that you know you're not going to get called by anything but the strongest of hands?

I know I often suspect people of doing this but I never find out because you never call and see their cards.