DTD Student Dell Rings the Luton Bell

[Royal Flush]

Some record that, & I'll wager that no other Venue can boast that.

I know one.

Tikay before DTD you used to make a point about deals, especially in some televised games where the company behind it would not allow players to deal even if they had kicked in no money. I don't have an exact quote of yours but it would go something like "It is a disgrace that players are not allowed to chop their own money if they see fit, why should a company tell them what they can and cant do with their own money?"

Has your position now changed? Or do you just give DTD a walk?

As Russ said if i ever get in a spot to deal in DTD i will obv obey the rules of the club but i really don't like that rule.

[Simon Galloway]

It's the only way to chop for me and I haven't chopped a tournament any other way for ages now. I still haven't played at DTD, so haven't witnessed it there, but in the places I've played at in Vegas they'll work out the chop for you and pay out accordingly.
PS, well done Dingdell imo

It is a very poor way to chop.  Run the numbers again with some extreme large/small chip stacks and tell me you would take the chop if you had the small stack.

[Karabiner]

It's the only way to chop for me and I haven't chopped a tournament any other way for ages now. I still haven't played at DTD, so haven't witnessed it there, but in the places I've played at in Vegas they'll work out the chop for you and pay out accordingly.
PS, well done Dingdell imo

It is a very poor way to chop.  Run the numbers again with some extreme large/small chip stacks and tell me you would take the chop if you had the small stack.

I agree that the greater the discrepancy in chips the more that system favours the larger stacks, but..

It does prevent all of those shouty arguments, and the shortstack does have the option to play on.

[Dingdell]

It's the only way to chop for me and I haven't chopped a tournament any other way for ages now. I still haven't played at DTD, so haven't witnessed it there, but in the places I've played at in Vegas they'll work out the chop for you and pay out accordingly.
PS, well done Dingdell imo

It is a very poor way to chop.  Run the numbers again with some extreme large/small chip stacks and tell me you would take the chop if you had the small stack.

It was chopped so that everyone got 4th place plus the balance was divided as per chip count. Originally the smallest stack (before he heard the figures) thought I would be getting twice as much as him and with the blinds etc thought he had a  good chance of getting back in the game -which he did - and wasn't keen. Once the figures were done he was getting much more than he thought and he dealt without hesitation.

I like the 'we all get a minimum of the next place to go out plus a chip count'. At 5 in the morning with my first client at 9am and then working all day until 6pm I was happy to deal and go home for a very short sleep.

All of the last 4 players were quite close in chips, one double up and the short stack would have been right up there again. It was imho a fair way of doing it when it was about to turn into a crap shoot. 

[Simon Galloway]

In that case, it's not a bad way to chop

[Chompy]

Simon, I took the same chop as the short stack in a much bigger tournament early in the year. Another player, who was watching, actually said I'd be nuts to take the deal, but live by the sword, die by the sword.

[celtic]

Simon, I took the same chop as the short stack in a much bigger tournament early in the year. Another player, who was watching, actually said I'd be nuts to take the deal, but live by the sword, die by the sword.

the latter preferably

[Chompy]

Roffle. A sword is the best implement for cutting through the field of donkeys that gathers in deepest Bedfordshire of a Friday evening imo

[Simon Galloway]

I should have inserted a "ceteris paribus" or something at the start...

There are lots of valid reasons to vary the deal.  Commitments the next day, holiday next week, history with others in the deal etc might influence what you will and won't take.  They have influenced me before for sure.  But in the long run, the chip leader takes that deal all day, the short stack is better off playing it out, and that's why true chip count deals are difficult to arrive at.

But we digress.

WP Tracey

[ifm]

Some record that, & I'll wager that no other Venue can boast that.

I know one.

Tikay before DTD you used to make a point about deals, especially in some televised games where the company behind it would not allow players to deal even if they had kicked in no money. I don't have an exact quote of yours but it would go something like "It is a disgrace that players are not allowed to chop their own money if they see fit, why should a company tell them what they can and cant do with their own money?"

Has your position now changed? Or do you just give DTD a walk?

As Russ said if i ever get in a spot to deal in DTD i will obv obey the rules of the club but i really don't like that rule.

That was always Tk's stance and a noble one at that, obviously it is our money and we should be allowed to do as we please.
It's actually quite sad and a major step backwards but as has been said you can either not go there,  refuse a chop or do a deal in the bog.
I recall with amazing clarity some of the outraged comments when grosvenor decided we couldn't deal with our own cash!

[AlrightJack]

I agree with Ariston here. All that DTD do is enforce a chip count method for any deals. There is nothing new about chip count deals - the same procedure has also been used by Grosvenor for many years when tournaments do not reach a conclusion by the time the casino closes. In many other cases, players agree deals based either roughly or sometimes exactly on chip counts before closing time arrives.  Crediting DTD with the deal that was done in Luton is wrong - as Ari said, they should only be credited if that way of dealing was enforced by the casino as the only way of doing it.

Perhaps we should start referring to DTD styles of barring people as well, i.e. "He complained about the rake being too high, so he got a DTD style barring on the grounds that he broke club rules that prevent free speech."

[ariston]

Just want to make it clear I was in no way starting a DTD bashing campaign here as I have only visited once and loved the place, I even stated on a thread just afterwards I think its the best venue I have been to anywhere in the world. I certainly dont want a DTD ban as it wasn't my intention to have a pop at them, I was only trying to say that credit should be given for the things they deserve credit for (too numerous to list) and not for something they didnt invent.