Is this a good spot to shove? (STT)

[Royal Flush]

but statistically much more likely to have 2 high cards (about 73%).

?

I appreciate that my assumptions may be open to dispute but I got to 73 % as follows -

Pairs AA, KK, QQ, JJ , TT and 88 = 6 x 6 combinations = 36

High cards AK, AQ AJ, AT, KQ, KJ - 6 x 16 combinations = 96.

Total combinations = 132.

High cards = 96/132 =73 %

You assume he is betting with overs on this board 100% of the time?

[Charlie44]

Just as a thought - is this a case that can be run through ICM ?

[thetank]

Interesting discussion.

The only consensus is that I played at least one street very badly.

[Longy]

The payout structure encourages preservation of chips over going for the win

You realise this makes more of an argument for shoving pre than folding pre don't you.

Shoving pre is far superior to any option here.

Level?

I really don't get your reasoning here. The only reason im asking is I respect your opinion especially when it comes to sngs.

[thetank]

I go by the 15 to 1 rule for implied odds, so both stacks would have to be at least 2000 for me to call here

Quick question for you regarding set mining.

A spot I seem to be in frequently is where I have about 1300-1600 chips, my opponents have the same and the blinds are 40/80.
I get a pair 22-77 in early position.
Do you limp in this pot with the 15 to 1 rule, or does the chance of getting raised make it a fold?

At the moment I'm letting these hands go without the limp. Is this a leak?

[Longy]

Just as a thought - is this a case that can be run through ICM ?

Yes. Pre and on the flop.

I have had a fiddle with sngwiz on pushing/folding pre and im getting it as somewhere between a -0.6% push and about neutral equity, depending on ranges.

[Longy]

I go by the 15 to 1 rule for implied odds, so both stacks would have to be at least 2000 for me to call here

Quick question for you regarding set mining.

A spot I seem to be in frequently is where I have about 1300-1600 chips, my opponents have the same and the blinds are 40/80.
I get a pair 22-77 in early position.
Do you limp in this pot with the 15 to 1 rule, or does the chance of getting raised make it a fold?

At the moment I'm letting these hands go without the limp. Is this a leak?

No i fold these small pairs in ep at 40/80 all the time. I do limp them in the first two levels (15/30 & 20/40) as i can normally call one raise and get the correct implied odds. Though i have been considering that limping at 20/40 maybe a leak.

In this situation we are the button and alot less likely to get 3bet than we are to get a limp in ep raised.

[Charlie44]

but statistically much more likely to have 2 high cards (about 73%).

?

I appreciate that my assumptions may be open to dispute but I got to 73 % as follows -

Pairs AA, KK, QQ, JJ , TT and 88 = 6 x 6 combinations = 36

High cards AK, AQ AJ, AT, KQ, KJ - 6 x 16 combinations = 96.

Total combinations = 132.

High cards = 96/132 =73 %

Take the point. I accept that the %age is misleading. Perhaps he would play 60 % of named high cards in this way and all his pocket pairs ??. Giving (96*60%)/36+(96*60%) =  61% likely to be a high card rather than a pair.

[vegaslover]

At this stage of the stt, i'm usually folding here pre after the raise been made. Don't like the call as it's put you in the situation on the flop where you're unsure as what to do.

[Rupert]

The payout structure encourages preservation of chips over going for the win

You realise this makes more of an argument for shoving pre than folding pre don't you.

Shoving pre is far superior to any option here.

Level?

I really don't get your reasoning here. The only reason im asking is I respect your opinion especially when it comes to sngs.

Not a level - the fact that chip preservation is important means that you should be shoving a lot more and calling a lot less because your opponents have to call a far tighter range (as chip preservation is important ldo).  This concept is especially important on the bubble where you find yourself shoving any two cards in a lot of situations, but having to very frequently fold very big hands.