Ruling

[gatso]

What are your thoughts on rule 12 though? Why should we not apply it here?

because we have absolutely no need to.

she said raise, the rules say that means she must raise. we have no reason to find something to override that

[snoopy1239]

Three more posts before Gatso explodes.

I'll take the under.

[dik9]

What determines damage in this rule?

A "call" or “raise” may be ruled not binding if it is obvious that the player grossly misunderstood the amount wagered, provided no damage has been caused by that action

This is so open to stroke pulling it's stupid. Does reading someones face when you go to put chips in, determine damage? In this case, according to this along with rule 6 in cash, I can pick up as many chips as I want, drop down the first call and say raise, , knowing that If I plead that I didn't know it had already been raised, I can get my money back?

Every rule a TD uses, even if it is discretionary and against the written rules, should be for the good of the game, having rules that contradict themselves, and are so open to abuse hinders the game, and I am surprised to see this in RR, and can't remember seeing it in older versions.


PS. Gatso I am with you and am not trying to find it to the contrary, but it is obviously causing some confusion .... don't explode

[The-Crow]

If the lady is pretty, let her raise what she likes

If shes not pretty, min raise , sorry luv

[phatomch]

the lady has said raise  her fault so she Must min raise.

[Cf]

I think the angle-shooting part of it is why the rule opens with "at the discretion of the TD". Maybe the rule is not needed in this case, but I think its inclusion in RR is a good thing. For example:

Blinds are 600/1200. BB is sat to the right of the dealer. UTG is sat to the left, so the BB doesn't really have a clear view of the UTG players stack. UTG is first to act and says "all in, 32". It folds around to the big blind who somewhat reasonably thinks it's only 2,000 more, doesn't even look at his cards and announces call. It then transpires that 32 meant 32,000.

It's a slightly contrived example, someone would probably notice and comment on that fact he's pushed in for 32,000, but it illustrates the sort of mistake that might be made. If I was asked to rule on this situation then I would almost certainly be applying rule 12 here.

[AlexMartin]

If the lady is pretty, let her raise what she likes

If shes not pretty, min raise , sorry luv

best bit of this thread. epic delivery crow!

[AndrewT]

It is a cold November morning - the sun barely peeps over the horizon and struggles to burn through the dawn mist which hangs over the heath.

Cf stands alone, drawing deep into his lungs the air which may be among his last. He awaits Gatso, his opponent in the duel to the death which must take place today. Through the mist, his opponent strides towards him, backlit by the glow of his car behind him, ablaze.

"So Cf, please choose your weapon"

"I choose, Robert's Rules..."

[gatso]

It folds around to the big blind who somewhat reasonably thinks it's only 2,000 more, doesn't even look at his cards and announces call. It then transpires that 32 meant 32,000.

this is my favourite part of the thread. a player moves in for 32k and another perfectly reasonably thinks it's 3,200?

if the 2nd player is stupid enough to a) not check the amount and b) wrongly estimate oppos chip stack by a factor of 10 then fuck robert's rules, they deserve no protection from their stupiditly, I'm invoking smithy69's rules no. 18b and putting them in the carpark with the short stacks.

[boldie]

I think the angle-shooting part of it is why the rule opens with "at the discretion of the TD".

ah, and here we have the problem. There are only a few TDs that actually know the rules...hell, you and Gatso can't even agree on it (although you seem to be disagreeing with the majority here)...if you and Gatso can't agree on it ..how on earth will TDs ever get it right?