Painful river bet by the villian

[George2Loose]

ditto most of what's been said

U beating abso nothing on river

[Newmanseye]

Now we all agree, we are counterfeited, the bets were too small and a host of other blunders, given the action, whats his range?

[boldie]

Now we all agree, we are counterfeited, the bets were too small and a host of other blunders, given the action, whats his range?

Really, who gives a crap what his range is..you can't call.

[Newmanseye]

Now we all agree, we are counterfeited, the bets were too small and a host of other blunders, given the action, whats his range?

Really, who gives a crap what his range is..you can't call.

Now i dont quite agree there, given the info we have on this player, surely we can hazard a guess at what he's got?

He has played the hand ultra passively, he's got form for floating and shoving with nothing, He limped in, was passive on the flop and turn, how he shoves on the river out og nowhere... that story does not quite fit with a quality hand imho and the player tbh.


so i think range here is important

[boldie]

Now we all agree, we are counterfeited, the bets were too small and a host of other blunders, given the action, whats his range?

Really, who gives a crap what his range is..you can't call.

Now i dont quite agree there, given the info we have on this player, surely we can hazard a guess at what he's got?

He has played the hand ultra passively, he's got form for floating and shoving with nothing, He limped in, was passive on the flop and turn, how he shoves on the river out og nowhere... that story does not quite fit with a quality hand imho and the player tbh.


so i think range here is important

Ok, what does villain think about you. Calls a raise pre flop..checks out the flop...donk bets 100 on the turn and then, incredibly donk bets another bet on the river.
He can think two things;

1; You have a monster but are playing the hand poorly.

2; You have nothing and are playing the hand poorly.

In hand 1 he wouldn't shove on you without having it

hand 2 he can have any two cards...although given the way you played it and the bad player image you have created he probably expects you to call with a counterfeited two pair.

Really you are over thinking this...you mangled the hand soo bad that the range doesn't matter anymore.

edit; I really get the impression that you make an incredibly spewy call here..won the hand..everybody then told you what a shit call it was and are now trying to find some sort of justification for this poor poor call...either that or someone made a poor call like this on you and you turned the tables around......either way..it's awful.

[Newmanseye]

Now we all agree, we are counterfeited, the bets were too small and a host of other blunders, given the action, whats his range?

Really, who gives a crap what his range is..you can't call.

Now i dont quite agree there, given the info we have on this player, surely we can hazard a guess at what he's got?

He has played the hand ultra passively, he's got form for floating and shoving with nothing, He limped in, was passive on the flop and turn, how he shoves on the river out og nowhere... that story does not quite fit with a quality hand imho and the player tbh.


so i think range here is important

Ok, what does villain think about you. Calls a raise pre flop..checks out the flop...donk bets 100 on the turn and then, incredibly donk bets another bet on the river.
He can think two things;

1; You have a monster but are playing the hand poorly.

2; You have nothing and are playing the hand poorly.

In hand 1 he wouldn't shove on you without having it

hand 2 he can have any two cards...although given the way you played it and the bad player image you have created he probably expects you to call with a counterfeited two pair.

Really you are over thinking this...you mangled the hand soo bad that the range doesn't matter anymore.

edit; I really get the impression that you make an incredibly spewy call here..won the hand..everybody then told you what a shit call it was and are now trying to find some sort of justification for this poor poor call...either that or someone made a poor call like this on you and you turned the tables around......either way..it's awful.

No comments made, No spewy call made, infact none of the above.

It was the story of how we got to this point that i found interesting, not the cards. 

hence the thread.

[MC]

This really doesn't need such analysis, it's the simplest of simple folds, but I'll humour you...


His range is simply

A King that has you beat
A Queen that has you beat
A Jack that has you beat
A Ten that has you beat/tied
A busted flush draw, and is shoving purely because he assumes your ridiculous bet sizes are an indication of weakness (which they are) and will get you to fold (which you should)


I calculated that it's approx 600 to call to win 1700, so he needs to be Stone cold bluffing over a quarter of the time. Bearing in mind a fair amount of hands that he is bluffing with (King rang, or Q8 or something) have you beat, there is no way you have the odds to call here.

[gatso]

who cares what his range is? the point of analysing hands is to have an idea of what to do the next time we're in this situation. but you don't want to ever be in this situation again so analysing his range is pointless.

the best thing you can do here is make sure you never play a hand this badly again and never get to this position again