10r 3 handed with history

[T_Mar]

The best you can hope for by calling is to be flipping against overcards.. This is a pretty loose range so you probs worse off


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   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    48.800%     48.65%    00.15%            194576          606.00   { 3h3s }
Hand 1:    51.200%     51.05%    00.15%            204172          606.00   { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 97s+, A2o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 97o+ }


4bet pre ftw

 

[  ] That flop shove range is right.


George i would just jam pre, as played its a call.

fair enough.. can see range is ridic wide, out of interest tho how come you make it a call when equity only decreases as you tighten the range up?

Nah dude, that range isn't wide enough. Villain will shove it in very wide cos he knows checking prob means conceding the pot. So the problem is you simply have no clue whether he's hit or not, and this is why calling pre just sets yourself up for a call and hope here. Pushing pre uses your chips in an infinitely better way.

wow, going wider means that he's 3betting pre with basically any 2 ??

[MANTIS01]

Yeah, I would say that's about right. The guy's got momentum over George, who's image is spewy & bluffy, so atc is indeed his range. The call with 3-3 pre plays into his hands and keeps George on the back foot. So the guy 3bets with atc pre and shoves flop with atc. It's just a real pisser when he shows 9-x or 4-x ftw. The shove pre not only gets this filth mucked but also changes the momentum of the battle.

[EvilPie]

The best you can hope for by calling is to be flipping against overcards.. This is a pretty loose range so you probs worse off


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Board:
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   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    48.800%     48.65%    00.15%            194576          606.00   { 3h3s }
Hand 1:    51.200%     51.05%    00.15%            204172          606.00   { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 97s+, A2o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 97o+ }


4bet pre ftw

 

[  ] That flop shove range is right.


George i would just jam pre, as played its a call.

fair enough.. can see range is ridic wide, out of interest tho how come you make it a call when equity only decreases as you tighten the range up?

Nah dude, that range isn't wide enough. Villain will shove it in very wide cos he knows checking prob means conceding the pot. So the problem is you simply have no clue whether he's hit or not, and this is why calling pre just sets yourself up for a call and hope here. Pushing pre uses your chips in an infinitely better way.

Eh??

He's included every pair, 9To+ and 79+ which is pretty much every hand in the deck.

How many other hands are you thinking of? Particularly one's that would make this look better for George?

[MANTIS01]

The best you can hope for by calling is to be flipping against overcards.. This is a pretty loose range so you probs worse off


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Board:
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   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    48.800%     48.65%    00.15%            194576          606.00   { 3h3s }
Hand 1:    51.200%     51.05%    00.15%            204172          606.00   { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 97s+, A2o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 97o+ }


4bet pre ftw

 

[  ] That flop shove range is right.


George i would just jam pre, as played its a call.

fair enough.. can see range is ridic wide, out of interest tho how come you make it a call when equity only decreases as you tighten the range up?

Nah dude, that range isn't wide enough. Villain will shove it in very wide cos he knows checking prob means conceding the pot. So the problem is you simply have no clue whether he's hit or not, and this is why calling pre just sets yourself up for a call and hope here. Pushing pre uses your chips in an infinitely better way.

Eh??

He's included every pair, 9To+ and 79+ which is pretty much every hand in the deck.

How many other hands are you thinking of? Particularly one's that would make this look better for George?

   ,  oh and 

[EvilPie]

The best you can hope for by calling is to be flipping against overcards.. This is a pretty loose range so you probs worse off


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Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    48.800%     48.65%    00.15%            194576          606.00   { 3h3s }
Hand 1:    51.200%     51.05%    00.15%            204172          606.00   { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 97s+, A2o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 97o+ }


4bet pre ftw

 

[  ] That flop shove range is right.


George i would just jam pre, as played its a call.

fair enough.. can see range is ridic wide, out of interest tho how come you make it a call when equity only decreases as you tighten the range up?

Nah dude, that range isn't wide enough. Villain will shove it in very wide cos he knows checking prob means conceding the pot. So the problem is you simply have no clue whether he's hit or not, and this is why calling pre just sets yourself up for a call and hope here. Pushing pre uses your chips in an infinitely better way.

Eh??

He's included every pair, 9To+ and 79+ which is pretty much every hand in the deck.

How many other hands are you thinking of? Particularly one's that would make this look better for George?

   ,  oh and 

Oh yes. Sorry mate, my bad.

 

[MC]

Is this a fist pump call or have I created this problem for myself? Is he shoving any flop?

This is more of a 'fingers crossed' call than a fist-pump call

But you have call this flop, this flop is the reason you decided to flat preflop.

Like I said, any overpair likes the same flops as you, and it's possible he's caught a random overcard if he was raising hands like 9Ts...but you have to call otherwise you should have just dumped the 33 preflop...

[Royal Flush]

The best you can hope for by calling is to be flipping against overcards.. This is a pretty loose range so you probs worse off


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 399,960  games     0.047 secs     8,509,787  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    48.800%     48.65%    00.15%            194576          606.00   { 3h3s }
Hand 1:    51.200%     51.05%    00.15%            204172          606.00   { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 97s+, A2o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 97o+ }


4bet pre ftw

 

[  ] That flop shove range is right.


George i would just jam pre, as played its a call.

fair enough.. can see range is ridic wide, out of interest tho how come you make it a call when equity only decreases as you tighten the range up?

He doesn't shove 9x sets or overpairs very often here, the range is way too tight!

[EvilPie]

The best you can hope for by calling is to be flipping against overcards.. This is a pretty loose range so you probs worse off


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 399,960  games     0.047 secs     8,509,787  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    48.800%     48.65%    00.15%            194576          606.00   { 3h3s }
Hand 1:    51.200%     51.05%    00.15%            204172          606.00   { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 97s+, A2o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 97o+ }


4bet pre ftw

 

[  ] That flop shove range is right.


George i would just jam pre, as played its a call.

fair enough.. can see range is ridic wide, out of interest tho how come you make it a call when equity only decreases as you tighten the range up?

He doesn't shove 9x sets or overpairs very often here, the range is way too tight!

You've lost me here.

Doesn't that make the range too wide? Surely we need to remove the 9x hands and sets and add hands like connected overcards which are already included?

Bit confused ??

[T_Mar]

The best you can hope for by calling is to be flipping against overcards.. This is a pretty loose range so you probs worse off


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 399,960  games     0.047 secs     8,509,787  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    48.800%     48.65%    00.15%            194576          606.00   { 3h3s }
Hand 1:    51.200%     51.05%    00.15%            204172          606.00   { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 97s+, A2o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 97o+ }


4bet pre ftw

 

[  ] That flop shove range is right.


George i would just jam pre, as played its a call.

fair enough.. can see range is ridic wide, out of interest tho how come you make it a call when equity only decreases as you tighten the range up?

He doesn't shove 9x sets or overpairs very often here, the range is way too tight!

right ok, can see he's not going to shove these hands, gives 33 about 60% against the wider range which as you say would make it a call

[T_Mar]

The best you can hope for by calling is to be flipping against overcards.. This is a pretty loose range so you probs worse off


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

 399,960  games     0.047 secs     8,509,787  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    48.800%     48.65%    00.15%            194576          606.00   { 3h3s }
Hand 1:    51.200%     51.05%    00.15%            204172          606.00   { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 97s+, A2o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 97o+ }


4bet pre ftw

 

[  ] That flop shove range is right.


George i would just jam pre, as played its a call.

fair enough.. can see range is ridic wide, out of interest tho how come you make it a call when equity only decreases as you tighten the range up?

He doesn't shove 9x sets or overpairs very often here, the range is way too tight!

You've lost me here.

Doesn't that make the range too wide? Surely we need to remove the 9x hands and sets and add hands like connected overcards which are already included?

Bit confused ??

I interpreted  this to mean that the hands he shoves are only the connected over card type hands, and not the ones we are in trouble against which although doesn't mean the actual range is wider, the equity we have is increased...??

[Royal Flush]

Sorry yeah I mean the range is weighted far more towards no pair, it is tighter, but in a good way!!

[EvilPie]

Sorry yeah I mean the range is weighted far more towards no pair, it is tighter, but in a good way!!

That's what I thought. Bit of a weird one that.

[maldini32]

Shove pre. Dont overcomplicate simple situations, your way too shallow to call wit 33 here.

[George2Loose]

Cheers for the feedback guys- will obv shove in future.

I called on the flop and he had 10 6 and I held (obv)

[MANTIS01]

Cheers for the feedback guys- will obv shove in future.

I called on the flop and he had 10 6 and I held (obv)

Knew T-Mar's range wasn't wide enough