flopped straight v v early in deepstack

[EvilPie]

Lol @ folding 77 here.

4 hands in, opponent 5-bets all-in for 10k. You have 8500 left, 11.5k in the pot -  blinds are 25/50.

How is that an easy call with 77 in a limped pot and the board is 357 ?

Answer taken from OP....'Live MTT'

No need to thank me

So you're saying that people call lighter in a live MTT they have driven/flown or whatever to get to, than if they were in an equivalent priced/rewarded tournament online?

No he's saying that people donk shove lighter so we can adjust our calling range accordingly.

It's similar but different.

[Royal Flush]

Our hero shoved, happy for that to be the end of the hand when the SB folded.

OK forget this hand, explain to your mate that this is the worst thing that could possibly happen in this spot and get him to re-think his tournament game completely.

[david3103]

Our hero shoved, happy for that to be the end of the hand when the SB folded.

OK forget this hand, explain to your mate that this is the worst thing that could possibly happen in this spot and get him to re-think his tournament game completely.

what hand?

[GreekStein]

Lol @ folding 77 here.

4 hands in, opponent 5-bets all-in for 10k. You have 8500 left, 11.5k in the pot -  blinds are 25/50.

How is that an easy call with 77 in a limped pot and the board is 357 ?

Answer taken from OP....'Live MTT'

No need to thank me

So you're saying that people call lighter in a live MTT they have driven/flown or whatever to get to, than if they were in an equivalent priced/rewarded tournament online?

No he's saying that people donk shove lighter so we can adjust our calling range accordingly.

It's similar but different.

Yeah what Matt said^^

It's obviously dependant on a lot of factors like buy in/structure/opponent but you will get a better standard of player in an online £300 MTT than a live £300 for example.

It's not that live players are willing to stack off lighter than they should, they just DO because they often just consider their own hand and not that of their opponent. 'Wow bottom two, in a 12-bet pot, I better shove to protect my hand'.  

[GreekStein]

Our hero shoved, happy for that to be the end of the hand when the SB folded.

OK forget this hand, explain to your mate that this is the worst thing that could possibly happen in this spot and get him to re-think his tournament game completely.

what hand?

What Flushy means is your mates' thinking is ridiculously flawed.

How could he possibly be happy that his opponent folded when he was holding the nuts? He should have been working out how best to get the chips in the middle, not scaring villain and making him fold.

[EvilPie]

Our hero shoved, happy for that to be the end of the hand when the SB folded.

OK forget this hand, explain to your mate that this is the worst thing that could possibly happen in this spot and get him to re-think his tournament game completely.

This is very true.

Whilst I like the 4 bet because we are deep I hate the shove particularly if it was because he wants to take it there and then.

There is absolutely nothing to be scared of. You want to get all the chips in and need to find the best way of doing it.

Your friend was lucky that his oppo had exactly the only hand that can call him here. By shoving he gets 2 pair, probably bottom set and possibly middle set to pass. Terrible poker.

He was lucky but then got coolered (I assume). One of them things.

[daviebhoy]

Your friend was lucky that his oppo had exactly the only hand that can call him here.

We don't know what he had yet. From the other thread I'm guessing 68 which in no way should be calling the shove. The shoves is actually excellent if villain calls here with 8 high. The shove is horrible but what can you say about the call ?

Can you just do us all a favour and tells us where these guys play ?

[EvilPie]

Your friend was lucky that his oppo had exactly the only hand that can call him here.

We don't know what he had yet. From the other thread I'm guessing 68 which in no way should be calling the shove. The shoves is actually excellent if villain calls here with 8 high. The shove is horrible but what can you say about the call ?

Can you just do us all a favour and tells us where these guys play ?

Unless it's with 55, 77 or 46 then it's laughable.

I think the other thread was hypothetical hence I'm still going by my original 77 guess.

[MANTIS01]

Live players shove lighter than internet players? WTF?? In this example, having driven all the way to a live nitty event like this the players will be tight early. Considering this is the 4th hand of the event...and considering the action...if hero shoves he will have the nuts. Absolutely end of. This is why shoving is bad. The embarassment of everyone clapping as the guy plods towards the carpark after just 4 hands is enough for players to fear stacking off light. The guy himself shows this scared mentality.......hero shoved, happy for that to be the end of the hand when the SB folded. If he does happen to get called that will be just luck rather than judgement. Playing bad by shoving just in case some of the other players MAY play bad and call is still playing bad whichever way you look at it.

[david3103]

OK - after this I forget the whole thing

oppo had 68

yes
8 high

my issue was that this was taking place at an APAT event that was oversubscribed and I just wondered, "what the hell was he thinking when he called?"


of course he hit the 9 on the turn

oh and would my man shove in similar circumstances in the future? Hell No!

[MANTIS01]

my issue was that this was taking place at an APAT event that was oversubscribed and I just wondered, "what the hell was he thinking when he called?"

This is the perfect answer to the question...why is shoving is bad? Cos a call is gonna be pretty inexplicable.

[EvilPie]

OK - after this I forget the whole thing

oppo had 68

yes
8 high

my issue was that this was taking place at an APAT event that was oversubscribed and I just wondered, "what the hell was he thinking when he called?"


of course he hit the 9 on the turn

oh and would my man shove in similar circumstances in the future? Hell No!

Why?

Is it in case someone who is way behind might call and get lucky?

This is more poor thinking from your friend. He wants the call especially from 6 8. Maybe not the set because he's only 70 30 favourite and I can maybe understand not wanting to get knocked out but even then if the cards are face up he should be happy to get the lot in.

If his reason for not shoving in future is because he realises now that he's wasting value then it's fine.

If it's because he got unlucky then he needs to read through this thread and have a serious think. These bad beats are going to happen when a donk calls but long term it's exactly what he wants.

He needs to take this horrible hand in his stride and improve from it.

[AlexMartin]

OK - after this I forget the whole thing

oppo had 68

yes
8 high

my issue was that this was taking place at an APAT event that was oversubscribed and I just wondered, "what the hell was he thinking when he called?"


of course he hit the 9 on the turn

oh and would my man shove in similar circumstances in the future? Hell No!

for the right or wrong reason? please dear god tell me it isnt so!!!!!