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« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2009, 10:57:11 PM »

My abs. favourite move is when shorty goes all-in UTG and there's three callers and so I iso-shove with QTo or something and when they all fold their KQ and JT shit I get 5 to 1 on my money heads up against UTG's super wide range.

Not a spot that comes every day but when it does pokers is awesome.

i love it too

then i love the guys who folded going on about protecting the shorty when we are about 5 hours from the bubble

Do it on final table for best results.

every time i have tried it on FTs i have woken up with wallies how have called the OR with top 4 hands

You need to work on your binking

i am blinking quite a bit at the moment after thinking Blatch was BIatch
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« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2009, 09:09:54 AM »

While you think the odds pre justify calling with this hand perhaps your lack of conviction with it doesn't. You've gotta ask how you will ever make money playing it. You lead with tp and only get one caller, yet you auto put that caller on a range that beats you ie A-8. So it makes you wonder why you would lead at all. I think the all-in dynamic distracts you from villain's play because why would villain make a large bet on the end with a showdown value hand like A-8? The funny thing is that if the river was another 8 you would readily get your chips in, and yet the bigger 8 and flopped sets, which are realistically the only hands you would think beat you come the turn, still beat you come the river.
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« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2009, 10:35:25 AM »

While you think the odds pre justify calling with this hand perhaps your lack of conviction with it doesn't. You've gotta ask how you will ever make money playing it. You lead with tp and only get one caller, yet you auto put that caller on a range that beats you ie A-8. So it makes you wonder why you would lead at all. I think the all-in dynamic distracts you from villain's play because why would villain make a large bet on the end with a showdown value hand like A-8? The funny thing is that if the river was another 8 you would readily get your chips in, and yet the bigger 8 and flopped sets, which are realistically the only hands you would think beat you come the turn, still beat you come the river.

Reading this thread and thinking about it yesterday i think ur spot on.... the big bet on the end makes no sense with showdown value other than to get me off, which it did, WP sir.... its easy in retrospect, but in the heat of battle id convinced myself i was beat and i was throwing good money after bad. I must add i almost called but the oppo had bamboozled me totally ( not hard to do i admit) and i made a poor choice..but once again thanks to u guys and ur honesty i have learnt a couple of things which i will add to playbook and next time i might just get it right...
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« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2009, 10:38:10 AM »

shove pre

in retrospect yes and take a prob 6-4 with the shortie...not a bad move..

And you treble up. Much the same as when you made the uber-obv ridicutez iso-squeeze on the button with K2 and binked big styley v AQ on the 22A com-flop.

As they say standard... if people want to limp into pots with marginals hoping to see a cheap flop and hit thats fine..if i can squeeze with fold equity and increase my stack by 40% i'm gonna pull the trigger..i was unlucky BB wakes up with a hand ...
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« Reply #49 on: November 17, 2009, 12:35:42 PM »

not read all of the replies but basically you should only bet here for value as you are creating a side pot that somebody can take a shot at, therefore it needs to be a hand you are totally comfortable with.

His play is OK imo.
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