HU 200nl Call or Fold?

[Sack it off]

http://www.pokerhand.org/?4986063

This is a 6max table which has broken, I have only played 3 hands with this player. So as good as zero info.

I feel like this flop is very easy to float and there is alot he can rep.

I check the turn planning to call most turn bets.

He then overshoves the river. I find it so difficult right now to put him on a hand.

I think he plays a flush draw more aggro on the flop, and if he doesn't have a flush I think he only does this with pocket .

I'm really confused about this hand, is there any other way I could have played it before the river?

[Rupert]

whats your reason for the 3 bet preflop?

i think you played the hand fine, but i think the river is a call.  it's hard for him to have a full house and a flush draw sometimes raises the flop also we are basically repping what we have (we never have a full house/flush/trips) or worse, like KT is basically top of our range here so he probs knows hes folding out a ton our range here (like 88-QQ, missed suited connectors, whatever other junk we 3 bet pre).  he can float us with A high, pps, fds and just straight up air.

[Sack it off]

Thanks, this was my thinking too but you expressed it better. And I folded:(


I 3b preflop because HU I have a strong hand and it is likely to be the best hand.
It's a hand which can hit flops pretty hard and I will be happy to continue once I have hit.
I'd also prefer to have the initiative in the hand and get him to fold more flops with my CB

[Rupert]

Problem is though, we fold out everything we dominate (maybe not 9Ts, JTs, QTs) and keep in everything that dominates us so it puts us in a really awful reverse implied odds situation.  Flatting pre is definitely the standard here and you'd need to know they are peeling 3 bets super wide in order for preflop to be best.

[doubleup]

Problem is though, we fold out everything we dominate (maybe not 9Ts, JTs, QTs) and keep in everything that dominates us so it puts us in a really awful reverse implied odds situation. 

Don't think this is a huge concern hu ppl will call in pos with all sorts of stuff. 

I watched a vid the other day where the turn check call oop line was criticised as making your hand obvious i.e. weakish desperately trying to get to showdown.  The suggested turn line (with better hands) was bet/fold if raised (assuming no history to indicate that this line would be exploited).   

[lucky_scrote]

If I 3bet with KTo I don't really want to be called. If I do get called and flop a decent hand like this oop I pretty much always check, especially against an unknown.

Never mind you decided to bet it making the pot big and this hand is difficult to play now. As played, more often than not villain will have the goods here and I'm folding the turn for sure.

[GreekStein]

If I 3bet with KTo I don't really want to be called. If I do get called and flop a decent hand like this oop I pretty much always check, especially against an unknown.

Never mind you decided to bet it making the pot big and this hand is difficult to play now. As played, more often than not villain will have the goods here and I'm folding the turn for sure.

Post more in PHA pls.

[Royal Flush]

If I 3bet with KTo I don't really want to be called. If I do get called and flop a decent hand like this oop I pretty much always check, especially against an unknown.

Couldn't agree less, why would you want to check this?

[snoopy1239]

I prefer to garner a bit more info on my opponent before I start three-betting K-To oop. If I do, I'd make it slightly more. As played, I'd bet the flop for value (flush draws and pocket pairs), then prob lead turn and check-fold river.

[lucky_scrote]

If I 3bet with KTo I don't really want to be called. If I do get called and flop a decent hand like this oop I pretty much always check, especially against an unknown.

Couldn't agree less, why would you want to check this?

How about you tell me why you disagree with checking back and I'll post my analysis. I don't totally disagree with leading out btw, but I prefer checking back in this scenario.

[Dubai]

The reason to lead is to balance your range for the times when you are 3 betting and continuation betting on this board with no hand, you have near the top of your range here so checking with the top of your range and betting with the rest is immensely exploitable and polarises your range ridiculously on these texture boards. By leading you induce floats, raise bluffs, get value from worse hands whilst balancing your range which obviously improves future expectation. By check calling you might as well type in the chat "I have a hand I am going to showdown" and will probably only get 1 bet from your opponent and will make it very very hard for your opponent to make a big mistake postflop as your range is so polarised.

As for when you 3 bet not wanting a call, thats not exactly true, what you probably should have said was the reason why KTos probably plays better by calling the raise oop rather than 3 betting is that it keeps all the hands you dominate in your opponents range, where he is likely to fold these hands to a 3bet with no reads. So calling pre and playing your hand very fast when you flop top pair is probably the optimal way to play the hand, however 3 betting will still be profitable at these stakes.

[lucky_scrote]

It's a lot easier to conceptualize a more basic c-betting strategy to just always bet good hands on this board and then dealing with the fallout. You are leading out and praying that villain is passive because the hand plays very tough. This isn't the only reason, it has to do with strengthening/balancing your range.

I don't think leading out is bad, but I would prefer not to take that line.

[Rupert]

cbetting is more advanced than checking here, because its better