River Overbet

[DMorgan]

Yeah he has a 9 here always

[smashedagain]

Yeah he has a 9 here always

good post....did he tighty coz i know you had to call to find out?

[TommyD]

I don't understand when you say you're calling the turn to keep the button in.  He's only continuing here with an Ace or a Nine.  Offshoot is aggressive but floating twice to take it away on the river with a bluff versus two opponents with that board is a little bit of a push even for him.

He's capable of betting an ace like this for exactly the reason that he should only have a nine and tries to make other aces fold.  Problem is he plays the nine exactly the same way.  Makes it a bit of a headache.

I probably call though just because I have to see the plan through to the end.  You're whole read was keep button in, check to button to snap him off on the river.  Just for your general game I think you have to pay this off and adjust your game on the result.

[Moskvich]

Yeah he has a 9 here always

Does he? I mean, it feels like he does, but am a bit confused by the 'overbet' thing, isn't he effectively betting 6.8k into 6.9k, given hero starts the hand with 9k? And once UTG and hero have both checked, neither of them ever have a 9, and button has to have either an ace or a 9, so he should shove regardless, no..?

Pretty sure you can never call here anyway, but if you were considering it you'd be better shoving yourself, wouldn't you? Though I think it's still extremely hard here to find a scenario where shoving is profitable.

On a similar tack though, if you were considering calling a bet of 2-3k on river then aren't you better off bet-folding (to the button) 1.5k (or even slightly less)? Since that includes the 9 in your range, so he can't raise with the ace.