Another hand from UB $200 - Too aggressive post flop??

[M3boy]

-   Hand #31978507-319 at Sun5pm200-013 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
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-   Started at 21/May/06 21:39:53
-   cstockrock is at seat 0 with 27455.
-   funkyfreshin is at seat 1 with 90625.
-   M3boy is at seat 2 with 17395.
-   ButchFive is at seat 4 with 14055.
-   P0KERPR033 is at seat 5 with 18000.
-   notsponsored is at seat 6 with 100235.
-   I_Woosa_Woo is at seat 7 with 41075.
-   Rizen is at seat 9 with 90825.
-   The button is at seat 4.
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-   cstockrock posts ante (150).
-   funkyfreshin posts ante (150).
-   M3boy posts ante (150).
-   ButchFive posts ante (150).
-   P0KERPR033 posts ante (150).
-   notsponsored posts ante (150).
-   I_Woosa_Woo posts ante (150).
-   Rizen posts ante (150).
-   The button is moved to seat 5.
-   notsponsored posts the small blind of 800.
-   I_Woosa_Woo posts the big blind of 1600.
-   cstockrock, at seat 0, is in this hand.
-   funkyfreshin, at seat 1, is in this hand.
-   M3boy, at seat 2, is in this hand.
-   ButchFive, at seat 4, is in this hand.
-   P0KERPR033, at seat 5, is in this hand.
-   notsponsored, at seat 6, is in this hand.
-   I_Woosa_Woo, at seat 7, is in this hand.
-   Rizen, at seat 9, is in this hand.
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-   notsponsored is dealt:
-   I_Woosa_Woo is dealt:
-   Rizen is dealt:
-   cstockrock is dealt:
-   funkyfreshin is dealt:
As   M3boy is dealt:
-   ButchFive is dealt:
-   P0KERPR033 is dealt:
-   notsponsored is dealt:
-   I_Woosa_Woo is dealt:
-   Rizen is dealt:
-   cstockrock is dealt:
-   funkyfreshin is dealt:
10d   M3boy is dealt:
-   ButchFive is dealt:
-   P0KERPR033 is dealt:
-   
-   Pre-flop:
-   panamatony (obs) says "they werent giving me much to work with!".
-   Rizen says "I'll do my best ty".
-   Rizen says "gg".
-   Rizen folds.
-   cstockrock folds.
-   funkyfreshin folds.
-   M3boy raises to 3700.
-   ButchFive folds.
-   P0KERPR033 folds.
-   notsponsored folds.
-   I_Woosa_Woo calls.
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-   flop card:
-   flop card:
-   flop card:
-   Flop (board: ):
-   I_Woosa_Woo checks.
-   lil_oh_me (obs) says "ty for that, but it would have been nice had you smoothed
-   lil_oh_me (obs) says "your bad beat".
-   M3boy goes all-in for 13545.
-   I_Woosa_Woo folds.
-   M3boy is returned 13545 (uncalled).

[Royal Flush]

You have raised with a raggy ace, flopped top 2 and just moved in!! Yes i would say you were too aggresive,

[SupaMonkey]

As soon as that ace fell i doubt you were getting any action anyway.

[M3boy]

I had done the same thing to him 2 rounds before, that time i had 7 4 and completely missed the flop - and showed

Was trying to get a double up on him.

Ignoring that then, what you you do on the flop? Week bet? Check?

[Royal Flush]

Well give him a chance to make a move then! Weak lead him and he may pop without the ace. Move in and he can only call AK/AQ and they pay you off anywa.

[SupaMonkey]

Really, you don't think a weaker hand would have paid him off here?

I'm not good enough to play in the $200 but i woulda done the same thing. The pot is half of M3boy's stack (i would be happy with that) and his opponent might have called.

[M3boy]

Agreed - but the board was a little scary. I am always wary when hitting 2 pair with the cards so close together. I mean, he could have KQ/Kj - turn comes Q or J and now I am in trouble.

Like the title suggests, I know it was too aggressive.

Still, not bad though for a tourney of 700+ runners lasting approx 7 hours - and only having 2 hands where I am not sure I played them correctly.

[Royal Flush]

Agreed - but the board was a little scary. I am always wary when hitting 2 pair with the cards so close together. I mean, he could have KQ/Kj - turn comes Q or J and now I am in trouble.

Like the title suggests, I know it was too aggressive.

Still, not bad though for a tourney of 700+ runners lasting approx 7 hours - and only having 2 hands where I am not sure I played them correctly.

Yeah its not the best board, paint comes and u are in trouble, but is he likely to have called a raise with QJ JK? He might have but more likely a smaller pair, thats why i weak lead, like i have KK-JJ and hate the ace

[Highstack]

I like playing two pair (even top 2) aggressively but I had thought this was a situation where you could have slowed (although I don't like raises with AT pre).

I was reading this and thinking that yes it was far too aggressive. however then I read your comment about having made the same move on him two rounds previously and showing the bluff. I am not a big fan of showing bluffs, but this is one of the positive reasons for doing so (providing that it is infrequent). I think that piece of information makes this an excellent move and if he had a hand like AQ or possibly AJ, you would have got paid off.

[Royal Flush]

I like playing two pair (even top 2) aggressively but I had thought this was a situation where you could have slowed (although I don't like raises with AT pre).

I was reading this and thinking that yes it was far too aggressive. however then I read your comment about having made the same move on him two rounds previously and showing the bluff. I am not a big fan of showing bluffs, but this is one of the positive reasons for doing so (providing that it is infrequent). I think that piece of information makes this an excellent move and if he had a hand like AQ or possibly AJ, you would have got paid off.

Do you not think AQ/AJ pay him off anyway?

Raising AT, normally i say no, but i know M3 is capable of getting away if he is beat post flop so its not so bad, he is playing it for the blinds or a blank board. This i guess is why when he got top 2 he pushed, sometimes when i am preparing to make a bluff after being called pre flop, but then smack the flop i fire too much, bit of excitement!

[Highstack]

Do you not think AQ/AJ pay him off anyway?

Would you?

Not sure I would call an all in with AJ. Possibly AQ sometimes although again I don't like calling here. I would of course lead out with either of them, but then if I wasn't prepared to do that no point playing them at all pre - what kind of flop would you want to bet at if not an ace high rainbow? Tbh with AQ I would probably have reaised (and maybe pushed) preflop if I was going to take on a raise with it at all.

[Royal Flush]

If i call a short stacks raise and hit an A i aint passing

[M3boy]

Spot on James, I am raising to take the blinds, I dont want a call!

And yes, when I hit the flop so hard, excitement took over and it was "all in"