Unorthodox move from tricky player

[totalise]

I passed, face up. Frankly more out of confusion than anything. It was so strange i must admit I was not quite sure where I was

thats why you move all in.. to find out where you are at. If you get called, you know you are behind

[TightEnd]

Always the best advice totalise.

Thanks as always.....

[byronkincaid]

Interested to know your lines if you get one or 2 callers tighty?

You C-betting pretty much any flop? Pot's pretty big now, how much are you betting? Are you giving up if you get one or two callers or pushing the turn?

I think one problem with putting hands up on forums is that naturaly people advise according to what tourneys they normally play. My thoughts are probably subconsiously only applicable to a £50 freezeout down the reigate club.

When I think back to the couple of tough major tourneys I was lucky enough to play I think you get called a lot here. You're out of position and haven't really got a clue what the others have got. You can raise for info but if people call especially deep stacked, have you got any?

[TightEnd]

good questions


JJ out of position multiway potentially is tough...but I think an all in overdoes it at this stage...on a final table or shorterstacked then sure.

I'm C betting most flops (and if I have to give up I've still got a lot of play) and reevaluating from there

I know BB ain't putting any money in post flop without a hand
Mid position limper doesn't worry me too much
Button worries me but I can play him and his chip stack cautiously if he comes back at me post flop

[byronkincaid]

Mid position limper doesn't worry me too much

In general or in this specific hand? Open limpers usually worry me.

[TightEnd]

sorry, in this hand. Early position limpers worry me, mid position limpers in this comp are usually weakish!

[seamus]

The pass here enabled me to go on and win the tournament when I limped AA utg and bogeyman in BB Reraised me allin with AQ and I doubled up and went from there...
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Perfect. IMHO in this hand your best move was to fold face up, which encouraged his worst move which was to show his KK.

[clayftknight]

tight end........

Based on your theory, about taking it down preflop or folding to a raise.......... why do you need JJ?  surely that is a position move and has nothing to do with your hand...........if you make a play where any two cards will do, and you actually have JJ, you are throwing away the value of the hand..................long term this is costing you money.
More importantly..............you raise a million times the blind, put in almost a third of your stack and will fold to a rerasie?!   this kind of play will mean you get run over by every player paying attention.
There are many players who struggle in the middle game of a multi, and your line of thinking is one of the reasons why.

The fact that you go on to win the multi does not turn a bad play in to a good one........ we have all made silly moves, got away with it and gone on to win an event, equally we have all played amazing poker and run into brick wall after brick wall until we are out.

We are looking for long term profitable plays..........and by the way..........even if youi are a winning player this does not mean that you don't make long term losing moves...............imagine how good you could be etc.

[Highstack]

Great pass.

With the info out there I am not sure that I would have been able to pass here and probably gave him a pair below yours. You said that you were solid and waiting for a chance to trap him but this still doesn't tell us enough about your earlier play either in this tournament or previous ones where you have clashed. You recognise him and his style, so he may also recognise you and your style.

You also mentioned that BB was a rock, but if the button is a reasonable player who would notice that you are likely to make a move to pick up the 1400 in the middle with a wide range of hands, he could be relying on the fact that you would take a punt here.

Tbh button limp reraise with KK is not my style .... or at least it wasn't before reading this.... perhaps now it might be. I can see a big advantage. Ok he may get action if a raise looks like a position steal, but most of the time he will not get much action for his raise and only win a small pot. Playing them this way, he takes a punt that you raise, he reraises and wins a decent pot. Obviously its a risk multiway and if you fail to raise, then he can proceed with caution post flop (assuming that he doesn’t hit a set) slowing down playing them like any other pp. Of course the K's still might be good in the hand, but he will have to play them without the risk of going broke or losing a large chunk of chips.

The fact that you didn't want/expect a call, means you may equally try this play with hands like 75. The cards are irrelevant if you win the pot here and now. At least then if you are called by a big hand, it will be either easier to get away from or more disguised if you flop a big hand.

It is often suggested that JJ is tricky to play. I think it is all decided by position. JJ is a big hand and a good hand (a set of J's is a beautiful thing), but I would rather raise with 72o in late position than raise with JJ in the SB. I would have limped in this situation and treat it them like a small pp hoping to flop a set or play the pot cheaply (hindsight is also a beautiful thing). I certainly don't like the all in suggestion preflop here.

[Highstack]

I was already typing while you posted clay so I left it in anyway, but I note you have already suggested a similar point.

[clayftknight]

highjack.......... I have no problem with a limp either there,

The KK............if there is no big hand out there he sees the flop with lots of company and it gets very messy.
If there is a hand after him, say JJ ............if KK raises to say 3xBB, would JJ fold?  JJ may well now move all in and KK wins even more.
I honestly think the KK guy played his hand worst than you played your JJ tightend so on reflaction I was probably a little blunt, sorry about that.
And I do understand why you did it, but I'm Justin explains well the dangers of your raise.

[wsopin07]

I passed, face up. Frankly more out of confusion than anything. It was so strange i must admit I was not quite sure where I was

He showed KK

I was amazed.

Who limps there to play Kings 4 way? Odd but strangely brilliant

As for it being a horrible raise by me....well I think I have every right to expect my raise to win the pot there and then against two limpers and a BB, why am I pushing all in there and potentially risking everything when I can make this raise and still have plenty of play if I lose the hand?

IMHO I found out the same information with a 5x bb raise than putting my tournament life at stake

The pass here enabled me to go on and win the tournament when I limped AA utg and bogeyman in BB Reraised me allin with AQ and I doubled up and went from there...

I fundamentally disagree with clayftknight's suggestion here

  I think you are 100% right, this is something that I am trying to do more of as I need to be more productive on the cashing side of events!!!!!

[clayftknight]

This game would be very dull if everyone was as good as me played the same

[TightEnd]

clay, no problem with blunt or disagreements...I found this a genuinely puzzling hand hence my post here and pleased to get the volume of responses...


for the record, if Button makes a standard raise I push with the JJ putting him on a steal/passable hand to a re-raise and I'm a huge dog

I thought the limp with KK there was horrible and stick to that view...didn't say anything to the fella though!!

[clayftknight]

I bet you told him it was a great play, I would have