ABE, Anyone but England?

[matt674]

I'm of Irish descent.

I support the Irish football team.

Ireland didnt make it to the world cup.

I dont give a f**k who wins it now, i'm not supporting anyone.

I'm happy though if i get to watch a month of good exciting football............

[NoflopsHomer]

I'm of Irish descent.

Not Gorilla?

[matt674]

Not Gorilla?

Only a tiny bit

[Newmanseye]

An Irish monkey, that explains everything!!!!!

[Darkhorse]

no reason to support england so i'll support ABE

[thediceman]

Would somebody like a piece of fish to go with that huge chip they have. So the media are to blame for your prejudice. As I stated on the other thread:

"Is it any real surprise that a British Broadcasting Corporation would have a bais towards one of the home countries. If Wales and Scotland or Northern Ireland had qualified they would also be strongly covering them and before I receive the counter arguement that their covered would not be to the same level I'm sure it would be in realition to the demographic profiles.

Hey in the past the Britsih media have even strongly been supporters of a non Britsh World Cup finalist Eire and I don't recall many if any English bemoaning the covered of a non Britsih country."

I agree it is boring listening to the constant England talk, I wish Strachen, Hansan, Dowie and Lawerson would shut up. I also don't recall any bias reference to England in competitions that they failed to qualify such as in 1994 USA. Maybe the key consideration is that the media talk with reference to whatever home nation country qualifies at any given time.

It is so much easier to sit around and complain about it being unjust and unfair rather than focusing your own teams positives. Why not spend your energy one dreaming of qualifying yourselves rather than the demise of others. Envy is such an unattractive quality as is your prejudice.
 

[thediceman]

Sorry Mr Moves, I'm quoting you from another thread to help kick off a wee debate, in its own thread, on this age old topic. I'm sure he won't mind too much.

Like many Scots you're an ABE (Anyone But England) which is tragic.  I couldn't care less about Scottish football if truth be told, I suspect the same is true for most England fans, but if Scotland (or Wales or N.Ireland) were in the WC I would happily support them as a British team..

Would you happily support Germany as a European team?

If not, what's the difference. You are a member of the British Isles, you are also a member of Europe.

We choose to let our culture and freedom of expression, rather than geographical position, decide what team/teams we are going to root for. Personally I don't find this tragic, I find it fantastic.



I want one of the African, or smaller South/Central American nations to win the World Cup. These are the poorest nations and most in need of the economic ressurgence that a world cup win would bring.

If England won, I would be more likely to directly benefit from the aforementioned economic boom. A Scot rooting for england therefore, rather than indulging in an act of altruism, is just being selfish.

I really don't agree with Mr Moves statement that Scottish fans should support the English which was the final line of his original post so therefore the point of whether we should support Germany is not of any real consideration. The fact is people are free to support whatever team they choose and if they wish to adopt other countries/teams that is their choice. The issue I do have and think Mr Moves had a fair point in making is the ABE (Anyone But England) attitude that is  frequentantly displayed by a number of our Celtic "friends" north of the border. If in jest it's not a issue but typically the motives for this ABE attitude is a result of an underlying conflict which is based on events that happened hundreds of years ago.

Well news flash, that was in the past and something we should learn to move on from, but sadly it appears some people can't. I prefer to deal with today and look forward to the future rather than continue fueds which my ancestors had.

Kid yourself if you think your prejudice is born from any media bias, I however suspect differently.

[thetank]

Envy is such an unattractive quality as is your prejudice.
 

I agree bothe are bad qualities, good job that me wanting England to get humped is born of neither.

[The Baron]

Envy is such an unattractive quality as is your prejudice.
 

I agree bothe are bad qualities, good job that me wanting England to get humped is born of neither.

So the question is... What is it born out of?

You dont have it in cricket or ruggers, so why footy? Answering that may shed some light....

[Colchester Kev]

I agree bothe are bad qualities, good job that me wanting England to get humped is born of neither.

So the question is... What is it born out of?

You dont have it in cricket or ruggers, so why footy? Answering that may shed some light....

Simple, Football teams are linked to towns etc .. where as cricket teams are county based, and Rugby is a game played by fat blokes who were never good enough to play football.

A football team represents the town where you live ( unless you are a Man utd fan, in which case you live in surrey) People rightly or wrongly feel proud and defensive of the place that they live and football  is, and has, been the major outlet for the working class man to shout and sing and shake off all the worries and stresses of a hum drum working week.

Its about loyalty and a sense of belonging.... kind of like gang mentality.  And as much as the prawn sandwich brigade are trying to take the game away from the working man, football rivalry will ALWAYS prevail.

I love all the banter and heated debates about football... I am old enough and wise enough not to make any insults personal, but lets be honest, there is nothing quite like giving a mate a lengthy rub down when his team has just been beaten

[TightEnd]

and Rugby is a game played by fat blokes who were never good enough to play football.

no Rugby is a game borne of upper classes not the working man, unless you are talking about Rugby League

It is almost as if the working class man who supports football needs a team rivalry and a sense of belonging to a tribe and hides that basic animal instinct behind religion, hatred of the English media etc


Now that I have broadened the debate into class, lets really see the fireworks start!

[Teacake]

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Kid yourself if you think your prejudice is born from any media bias, I however suspect differently.
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Suspect all you like, you seem to have made your mind up anyway. Like it or not the media is the main reason behind the ABE brigade up here. Granted there are others who do dislike England for there own reasons but I wouldnt waste my energy getting upset with such people.

"Is it any real surprise that a British Broadcasting Corporation would have a bais towards one of the home countries. If Wales and Scotland or Northern Ireland had qualified they would also be strongly covering them and before I receive the counter arguement that their covered would not be to the same level I'm sure it would be in realition to the demographic profiles.

Thank you for allowing us a level of coverage in relation to our demographic profile, how very magnanimous of you 

Don't see any mention of this when the TV licence is due for renewal, am I due a rebate?

Two words - Beckham, Rooney

[bolt pp]

and Rugby is a game played by fat blokes who were never good enough to play football.

no Rugby is a game borne of upper classes not the working man, unless you are talking about Rugby League

It is almost as if the working class man who supports football needs a team rivalry and a sense of belonging to a tribe and hides that basic animal instinct behind religion, hatred of the English media etc


Now that I have broadened the debate into class, lets really see the fireworks start!

Your just itching to lock this thread

[TightEnd]

Guys

My last point about class is firmly tongue in cheek! Please don't bite!


Meanwhile, I have had cause to delete a number of posts by a new member who has posted anti catholic abuse in response to certain posts on this thread

Of course this is completely unacceptable and he has been immediately banned, unreviewable.

If the gentleman manages to get back on (via another terminal for example) Please do not react, merely report the post to any mod or PM a mod you see on here and we will deal with it immediately.

Please do not let this thread descend to that type of stuff whatever side of the debates you are coming from.


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[thetank]

I enjoy the irony of those who insist the ABE thingy must contain prejudice.

You would expect a person who holds this negative trait (prejudice) to be of one opinion on matters, and not be open to any others.

Really there is no justification of an ABE mentality without prejudice and dislike ( well, we know I mean hatred but I'm being nice here ), therefore anyone disagreeing with the ABEs are flaming - how can we have any "discussion" with that kind of setting...

It doesn't so why is it here?

My prior post was just having some fun because there really cant be any serious discussion within the context of this topic.

Sorry, bowing out of this thread here, continue the "discussion" by all means though.

Does anyone else see where I'm coming from here?