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« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2006, 04:25:03 PM » |
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If you can point out exactly where i said that Terry produces more on the big stage than Gerrard, i will gladly send you a flying pig.
I never said you said that did I??? My question was who produces more on the big stage? Gerrard is much more likely to fit into that list of sportsmen you wrote than Terry IMO. That was my point. |
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« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2006, 04:38:22 PM » |
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Now honestly who does it more often on the bigger stage Terry or Gerrard? Not much of a contest eh?
You are a Liverpool fan, a Stevie G fan, how on earth can you comment on whether Terry or Gerrard have done more on the big stage? At the very best, your rose tinted glasses will compound your error. People who score goals will always take more headlines as its more attractive than last ditch tackles or heroic clearances off the line. I'll give you 2 very clear and unarguable examples from the world cup. 1 - John Terry's scissor kick on the line for the last ditch clearance followed by the scrambling tackle to clear the ball. 2 - Ashley Cole making up 25 yards to deflect the shot from Ecuador. Both of the above were far better than anything Gerrard did, but thats the way it is, scorers are "Hollywood", defenders are "soldiers". These 2 events are at the very top of my list when looking at English highlights from the World Cup. |
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« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2006, 05:01:00 PM » |
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"You are a Liverpool fan, a Stevie G fan, how on earth can you comment on whether Terry or Gerrard have done more on the big stage? At the very best, your rose tinted glasses will compound your error."
Becuase like you, I am entitled to my opinion. I see a Spurs fan and a Newcastle fan on here have agreed with me about Gerrard. Maybe they are biased too? Maybe Pele is when he says Gerrard is the greatest midifelder alive? Out of interest who do you support?
You are right, let us not get into examples, otherwise we'll be mentioning Terry's two mistakes that have put Chelsea out of consecutive Champions Leagues.
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« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2006, 05:05:47 PM » |
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unfortunatly defenders mistakes are highlighted a lot more thats the nature of the beast! next thing baron will be saying is that carragher is a better centre back than terry! go on say it then you will prove you wear red tinted glasses  |
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« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2006, 05:10:59 PM » |
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unfortunatly defenders mistakes are highlighted a lot more thats the nature of the beast! next thing baron will be saying is that carragher is a better centre back than terry! go on say it then you will prove you wear red tinted glasses LOL! Shall I? Nah, I know Terry is better. I'm just playing devil's advocate to discuss it properly. Terry is amazing, no doubt about it but he's no Stevie G! |
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« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2006, 05:17:37 PM » |
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unfortunatly defenders mistakes are highlighted a lot more thats the nature of the beast! next thing baron will be saying is that carragher is a better centre back than terry! go on say it then you will prove you wear red tinted glasses LOL! Shall I? Nah, I know Terry is better. I'm just playing devil's advocate to discuss it properly. Terry is amazing, no doubt about it but he's no Stevie G! i agree he is no steve g they are completly different positions for a start was pele a bobby moore? was maradona a gordon banks? was gainfranco zola a claude mackele? was kenny dalglish an alan hansen? all world class players in there own right. Terry imo is a better leader of men for a start, steve g's squeeky voice and face that looks ready to cry all the time would hardly inspire me when the chips were down  i think steve g is great at motivating himself but i dont think he could motivate those around him on and off the pitch as good as terry imo |
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« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2006, 05:25:55 PM » |
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This seems a bit of a redundant discussion. Obviously chelsea and liverpool fans will argue whether gerrard or terry would make a better england captain.
I think both have great leadership qualities and both have led their clubs. For me gerrard is slightly the better option as he has been a fixture in the england squad for longer and has slightly more experience but i would be happy with either of them.
Gerrard didn't have a great world cup, but still scored two goals in five games, one of them a screamer. This point has been made already but other players considered world class....ronaldinho.....shevchenko....nedved....(whose reputation is waning perhaps due to his age) also had very poor world cups, arguably worse world cups than gerrard. He's shown his worth in the two european cup finals he's played in , the gerrard fa cup final along with 3 seasons of consistant high quality perfomance for liverpool, just as ronaldinho has shown for barca why he is world class and shevchenko's goal record in serie A is outstanding.
These players will continue to be held in high esteem and will continue to be sought after by the top club managers. Terry had his highlights same as gerrard, but also made some uncharacteristic errors. I know this is very out of character for him though and he will be an ever better player because of this world cup's experiences.
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« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2006, 05:32:19 PM » |
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the player who is choosen for his leadership qualities more than his playing qualities.
both players are the best we have in thier positions so terrys leadership skills tip it for me.
the mistake we made when beckham was made captain was that he isnt a natural leader. he was chosen more as a figure head for england on and off the field rather than to martial his troops on the pitch.
we must not make the same mistake again
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« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2006, 05:49:59 PM » |
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Walcott for Captain!
May aswell continue the tradition of chosing the most overrated player in the squad.....
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« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2006, 06:10:52 PM » |
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he is without doubt one of the worlds best free kick takers
Since when! His strike rate is so low. |
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« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2006, 06:14:44 PM » |
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You put John Terry in the Spurs team and you put Ledley King in the Chelsea team and you all would say that King is the better defender.
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« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2006, 06:46:07 PM » |
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he is without doubt one of the worlds best free kick takers
Since when! His strike rate is so low. Not only talking about attempts at goal id guess |
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« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2006, 08:54:57 PM » |
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he is without doubt one of the worlds best free kick takers
Since when! His strike rate is so low. Not only talking about attempts at goal id guess Ah ok, still though there are plenty of players who can cross a ball in the England team. |
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« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2006, 12:18:46 AM » |
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he is without doubt one of the worlds best free kick takers
Since when! His strike rate is so low. his strike rate? taking free kicks not just aablout scoring its also about assisting. |
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« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2006, 12:20:41 AM » |
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You put John Terry in the Spurs team and you put Ledley King in the Chelsea team and you all would say that King is the better defender.
king is a very good player and i think will eventually take his position alongside terry in the england team but better than terry im sorry no. |
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