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WellChief
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« on: July 03, 2006, 02:16:56 AM »

Just played this hand on Tribeca.  I'm fairly certain I was behind when folding (to a hand like 5 5 or made flush), the opponent was a bit of a passive calling station and didn't seem to raise a lot.  It's not just the fold that's bothering me its whether or not I should have raised on the turn or not, I was actually raising for value (as I felt that if JK had made the flush he would raise the initial $80 bet), but is it better to take a cheap river in this situation, bearing in mind that there aren't many scare cards in the deck and I have position on the river?

What do you think of the fold?  What about the raise on turn?

[Jul 3 02:01:09] : Hand Start.
[Jul 3 02:01:09] : Seat 1 : blockace has $655
[Jul 3 02:01:09] : Seat 3 : JKHOSSY has $1,161
[Jul 3 02:01:09] : Seat 4 : bulletpruuf has $652.95
[Jul 3 02:01:09] : Seat 5 : MisterEko has $1,309
[Jul 3 02:01:09] : Seat 6 : sherrkhan has $1,955.25
[Jul 3 02:01:09] : sherrkhan is the dealer.
[Jul 3 02:01:10] : blockace posted small blind.
[Jul 3 02:01:10] : JKHOSSY posted big blind.
[Jul 3 02:01:10] : Game [62945] started with 5 players.
[Jul 3 02:01:10] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jul 3 02:01:10] : Seat 5 : MisterEko has Ah
[Jul 3 02:01:12] : bulletpruuf folded.
[Jul 3 02:01:15] : MisterEko called $10 and raised $25
[Jul 3 02:01:17] : sherrkhan folded.
[Jul 3 02:01:18] : blockace called $30
[Jul 3 02:01:21] : JKHOSSY called $25
[Jul 3 02:01:21] : Dealing flop.
[Jul 3 02:01:21] : Board cards [ ]
[Jul 3 02:01:24] : blockace checked.
[Jul 3 02:01:25] : JKHOSSY checked.
[Jul 3 02:01:28] : MisterEko bet $75
[Jul 3 02:01:30] : blockace called $75
[Jul 3 02:01:32] : JKHOSSY called $75
[Jul 3 02:01:33] : Dealing turn.
[Jul 3 02:01:33] : Board cards [ ]
[Jul 3 02:01:07] : blockace bet $80
[Jul 3 02:01:11] : JKHOSSY called $80
[Jul 3 02:01:14] : MisterEko called $80 and raised $200
[Jul 3 02:01:16] : blockace folded.
[Jul 3 02:01:21] : JKHOSSY called $200 and raised $771 and is All-in
[Jul 3 02:02:06] : It's your turn.
[Jul 3 02:02:06] : MisterEko has 10 seconds to respond.
[Jul 3 02:02:14] : MisterEko folded.
[Jul 3 02:02:15] : JKHOSSY wins $967 as the last player standing
[Jul 3 02:02:18] : Hand is over.
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2006, 02:25:15 AM »

I'd be trying for a cheap showdown but I don't play that high so whadda I know.

I'm really just replying to say "MisterEko" - cool fking name. Cool
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2006, 03:05:58 AM »

I think the re-raise for value is suicide, it's a 3 way pot on a paired and flushed board. 3rd caller will have either had a monster or is priced in to draw, either way you are beat by the turn. If you are re-raising to find out where you are then i'd be ok with that, but you do it for value. On that sort of board in a 3 way pot, with the action you are getting, AA is pretty useless.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2006, 08:36:47 AM »

Personally I would have just flat called on the turn as the flop looks to dangerous and you don't know where you are, especially as two people have already paid to remain in the pot prior to your decision. They may be staying in for a draw but mybe they already have a made hand. By flat calling you are keeping it cheap whilst you may infact still be leading and if not you still have the nut flush and full house draw.

Your raise was never a value bet as you were unable to know where you stood in the hand. Any call or reraise (as you got) merely confuse you more leading you to believe you was behind and result in you folding.

JK probably flat called hoping you would raise so he could make a reraise. Remember you raised pre flop and came out betting on the flop so it was reasonable for him to believe/hope you would come out raising on the turn for him to then make a move.
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