Can i get away from this?

[ACE2M]

2/4nl. I'm in the sb 
it's a nice limping table and i have doubled my stack over about an hour or so. Have been playing LAG and been caught bluffing a couple of times in smaller pots.

4 players limp and i complete and the BB checks.

Flop =     

All check to the button who raises $12, button has been fairly tight and conservative but has raised in position fairly consistently when the opportunity has arrived.  He has about $700 to my $800.

I decide to raise to test him out and raise to $36

All fold to the button who flat calls

Turn =

I lead out for a 2/3's of the pot $72 and the BB re raises another $72, now i am confused and thinking A7, A8 or possibly a medium flush

I call the $72 and hope for a club on the river.

River = 

I lead out for $120

He thinks for a minute then shoves it all in leaving me about $400 to call

Can i fold?
Would you have played it any different?
Whats he got?

[Claw75]

I would think he perhaps has 66 or 88.  I don't think I could fold here.  I presume he had AA?

[Hairydude]

I really dont know If I could get away from this- but his betting pattern suggest he has 66 or 88 as he seems quite cautious with the flush on the board but as soon as it pairs hes betting big

But I'm not that good that I could fold- I'd be hoping that he was trying to look cautious by playing the nut flush cautious to trap(this is what I'm usually thinking at times like this) but then when I look at the hand and reflect I'd say either 66 or 88

A8 and A6 aren't possibilties IMO- you have already stated he is conservative so he is unlikely to bet out with top 2 or top middle pairs with a 3 suited paired board as there are far to many possibilites he would be beat

AA of course may also be a possibilty and he certainly played it like that too- married to the pocket rockets, even on a flushy board, then when he hits his 1 outer Ace there is no way he is going to leave- Ahhh the joys of online poker 

[TightEnd]

He must have a bigger house

flat call of your raise on the flop "screams I have a set, please pair the board". He then takes off when the board does pair

It's a tough fold, but what do you think he might to act like this on the river that you beat? Not saying I would fold though but might have done

Finally, and this is something I learnt the hard way and yet still get wrong from time to time....don't you think check call on the river is the better play for you?

You bet $120 on the river with an underfull...you would be hating a raise and this is what you get...I suspect you know the pass is right yet you don't want to...nasty situation. Check call you pay off a value bet but in all likelihood you lose less $ to the overfull.

[Royal Flush]

Do we really think they guy has a set, he raised the turn! That puts enough doubt in my mind to call.

[Hairydude]

Do we really think they guy has a set, he raised the turn! That puts enough doubt in my mind to call.

Yeah thats the bit that miffed me a bit but...

Thats why I'm sayin it might be a really tough beat and he actually has pocket AA- on the flop he's married to the hand and doesnt want to ditch his rockets so he makes a crying call from ACE2M's raise to $36(I know this is the incorrect fishy play as he should reraise to see where he is if he doesnt suspect the flush or ditch it altogether) but then when the magic ace comes on the turn there is no chance he is ditching the hand-flush or no flush- then he fulls up on the river


So ACE2M dont keep us in the dark too long-what he have?? did you call?? I know I prob would have if its online- my thought process on hands takes a lot longer than 30 seconds- guess thats why I dont play cash online anymore 

[ACE2M]

Do we really think they guy has a set, he raised the turn! That puts enough doubt in my mind to call.

the turn is what confused me to.

He must have a bigger house

flat call of your raise on the flop "screams I have a set, please pair the board". He then takes off when the board does pair

It's a tough fold, but what do you think he might to act like this on the river that you beat? Not saying I would fold though but might have done

Finally, and this is something I learnt the hard way and yet still get wrong from time to time....don't you think check call on the river is the better play for you?

You bet $120 on the river with an underfull...you would be hating a raise and this is what you get...I suspect you know the pass is right yet you don't want to...nasty situation. Check call you pay off a value bet but in all likelihood you lose less $ to the overfull.

the $120 was fairly rushed as i originally thought i was value betting, it was one of those moments where i thought he would probably check 2 pairs and possibly check a middle flush.

the all in was a bit of a shock.

[ACE2M]

Do we really think they guy has a set, he raised the turn! That puts enough doubt in my mind to call.

Yeah thats the bit that miffed me a bit but...

Thats why I'm sayin it might be a really tough beat and he actually has pocket AA- on the flop he's married to the hand and doesnt want to ditch his rockets so he makes a crying call from ACE2M's raise to $36(I know this is the incorrect fishy play as he should reraise to see where he is if he doesnt suspect the flush or ditch it altogether) but then when the magic ace comes on the turn there is no chance he is ditching the hand-flush or no flush- then he fulls up on the river


So ACE2M dont keep us in the dark too long-what he have?? did you call?? I know I prob would have if its online- my thought process on hands takes a lot longer than 30 seconds- guess thats why I dont play cash online anymore 

I really can't see aces, he was fairly conservative and would almost certainly have raised pre flop

[TightEnd]

I remember an excellent piece of advice from totalise who said on a few threads that the big over bet/all in on the river at these levels is usually complete strength

granted there are a few confusing signals here


I'm thinking 88

[Longy]

Can you fold here um its very marginal, one thing to consider is that you hold  and therefore he cannot be going over board with a nut flush. Also does he really think he can push you out of the hand here probably not. Therefore what are we beating a flush of sorts but his play doesn't suggest that and surely he would have pushed the turn if not the flop with this.

We have a poor full house but we are beating limped garbage like flopped two pair 82, 62 but is he loose enough to limp the button with anything, probably not. We are losing to a flopped set 88 or 66, he is an unconvental player if he limped rockets on the button in a multiway pot.

I think i make a crying call but i might be wrong, good hand for analysis.

Also i don't like the preflop call ace rag play horribly multiway esp in the small blind

[ACE2M]

I called and he had 88. the turn raise was strange enough for me to be suspicious enough, i think for what i perceived to be a fairly abc player he played this hand very unusually, but i'm not sure he played it well. But at the end of the day he got my dosh.