LOST!!! (non-poker topic)

[jbsc7769]

And my comments about the benefits Adam? Do you agree there are also many benefits for the smaller artists?
Yes, Ironsides advise can be used to steal. This forum can also be accused of causing a gambling problem. I think we all need to be intelligent with any information we are given and deal with it accordingly. I do agree there is a potential problem for abuse of those sites but tat can happen anywhere. Here in Greece, the streets are litered with people walking around the tourists areas selling pirated CD's. That is dreadful but I believe a completely different level to what we are talkign about...anyway, back to the topic, isnt Lost great, lol!
Debating is good.

[AdamM]

it isnt about conscience, it's about illegality, and the fact that criminal activity is so openly discussed. Obviously it's music piracy that I feel strongest about because of my vested interest but copyright theft is a major issue and "well everyone does it" isn't good enough

[Ironside]

while in the army i taught cadets how to fire a rifle which could lead to them shooting targets as intended or people if they were murdering scum

what i did was legal the way they choice to use the information and skills i gave them was upto them

[Colchester Kev]

Bad lads army is on soon, thats also unmissable in my opinion, very very funny... the provo sargeant is absolutely fantastic.   " Have you got the backbone boy !!"   " Im gonna f***ng eat you boy, then im gonna spit your useless f****ng bones out, and feed them to my dog"   classic

[AdamM]

there are NO benefit to musicians from copyright theft.

the genuine download industry is in it's early stages and we'll have to see how it goes but piracy is hurting the fledgling musician.

I too learned to fire a gun and have never used the skill illegaly. I also teach some pretty nasty martial art techniques to people that have never been used irresponsibly by them or me. I would not teach someone I believed to be likely to misuse the info.

nothing to do with whether or not stealing is ok when it's from a media company or from artists.

[BlueWolf]

every wish you hadnt started a discussion? lol

i just found out there have been more seasons of lost commishioned (season 2 is being done now and each episode is recorded only 3 weeks before it airs) in total theres going to be 7 seasons of this. not sure my head could take that i'm dumbfounded after 10 episodes

[Trace]

7 seasons!!!!  Oh gawd, no way can i cope with all that!  lol

[Ironside]

there are NO benefit to musicians from copyright theft.

the genuine download industry is in it's early stages and we'll have to see how it goes but piracy is hurting the fledgling musician.

I too leaned to fire a gun and have never used the skill illegaly. I also teach some pretty nasty martial art techniques to people that have never been used irresponsibly by them or me. I would not teach someone I believed to be likely to misuse the info.

nothing to do with whether or not stealing is ok when it's from a media company or from artists.

but i helped one person learn how to file share which is legal if he wishes to use it illegally then its upto them same as if one of your MA pupils wants to mug an old lady using his skills than thats upto him

stealing dvd's and cd is illegal and i dont condone anyone for doing that

but file sharing is a legal activity that i think gets a bad press due to kids breaking copyright

infact the porn industry have cottoned onto the file sharing ideal and now release files
to be shared as advertising for products

[BlueWolf]

many film and music companies have actually been leaking  material onto the net in advance to see how popel react to it, the more people downloading it and passing comment shows how successful it may be, recent examples are exorcist the beginning which was completely rewritten after downloaders slated it and the bbc leaked the first episode of the last doctor who series to see how it was going to be recieved

[AdamM]

you cant say stealing music is wrong but stealing  a tv series isn't. stealing a film is wrong but stealing a comedy show isn't. it's not up to the consumer / citizen to interpret or pick and choose the laws.

if my student mugs someone I AM PARTLY RESPONSIBLE

[AdamM]

many film and music companies have actually been leaking  material onto the net in advance to see how popel react to it, the more people downloading it and passing comment shows how successful it may be, recent examples are exorcist the beginning which was completely rewritten after downloaders slated it and the bbc leaked the first episode of the last doctor who series to see how it was going to be recieved

that has no bearing on whether of not it's ok to nick a music track though

[jbsc7769]

there are NO benefit to musicians from copyright theft.

the genuine download industry is in it's early stages and we'll have to see how it goes but piracy is hurting the fledgling musician.

I too leaned to fire a gun and have never used the skill illegaly. I also teach some pretty nasty martial art techniques to people that have never been used irresponsibly by them or me. I would not teach someone I believed to be likely to misuse the info.

nothing to do with whether or not stealing is ok when it's from a media company or from artists.

OK, until this bit, I could see your side of the arguement and maybe was playing a little devils advocate. That said, I can not take this last comment seriously. Go look at the figures from itunes and see how the "singles" market has grown and how record sales in general have grown in the last year or so. As for NO benefits, i am lost for words. I probably have  about 10,000 songs on my computer, I would say well  over 9,500 are legal, over 2,000 are as a result of me downloading a song, borrowing a friends CD etc but listening to it first. I can not accept that there are NO benefits. I agree 100% on the legality side of things with you but I do not think I am doing wrong by downloading a song, listening to it, if i like it buying it, if i dont, deleting it. My guess is that the artists would not object to that either. You buy a sofa, you go and sit in it, you try it out. If its good, you buy.

The major artists suffer, the smaller artists benefit in my opinion. One further thing, as I live in Greece, almost ALL of my music is legally downloaded from itunes. It is so convenient, we dont have that many music shops here anyway, especially the music i like, but still even living in a village in the UK, it has to be easier than going out to the shop to buy it. It is the way forward. They are now taling about download of films instead of buying DVD's (Sony I think) whioch will be the same idea as itunes. I for one will buy from them. (legally, granted)

I think, in summary, maybe we are singing from the shame songsheet basically but disagree on the details........

[Ironside]

i say filesharing a free to air tv program isn't illegal no matter what the law says as long as its uploaded in the manner in which the tv company broadcast it

so your now saying that if one of the cadets i trained to fire a rifle becomes a sniper shooting people in the street its my fault?

[ariston]

Is it a full moon tonight?

[redsimon]

I downloaded the 2004 WSOP and WSOP Tournament of Champions on bit torrent. It didn't stop me watching it on Challenge or buying a legit DVD version. I can partly see your point Adam, but most downloders buy the stuff as well.