Why did this guy call ?

[lazaroonie]

what can you say ? Its a bad beat, but not the worst in the world.

Aggressive final table play like this will IMHO prove to be profitable in the long run. Why not call his raise (you are likely to be ahead), and then jam it in on the flop. He will find the call much more difficult post flop.

[popdog/elsadog]

Thanks for the replies...some interesting angles on this. He eventually ended up 2nd.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

but why is he raising in the first place with Q 6 for??

thats a muppet of the highest calibre if you ask me.

Lol. This is a comment made by some players that really annoy me.. I mean, how can you call someone a muppet for raising ?? The only time i have a problem with being beaten is when i make the raise and get the call by someone with no hand.. If however, someone was to push and im sitting there with AA and obviously call, even if he has 72 and outdraws me, i would not say a word, he has made the move, asked the question to anyone in the pot. There is nothing wrong with this. Example - I was playing on ladbrokes multi the other day and they fold to me on the cut off.. I have 45 and fancy a steal, so i raise 3x the BB. BB calls. Flop comes down 238 (which is not bad for me really).. He checks to me and i push my last couple thousand in, he then calls me. With.. 89.. I hit my straight with an A on river and he starts moaning - exactly like you have about me raising with this and then pushing in on the flop?! Now, IMO the worst part of this hand is him calling me with 89 preflop in the first place. But when you try and explain this - he cannot understand why i would raise, no matter what i said! - Can you Bandit??

[Wardonkey]

If I'm being offered 2 to 1, I will call with most hands unless losing would bust me or leave me severely crippled.

[ACE2M]

I've done this plenty of times. If he still has a stack to play with afterwards then i see no problem with his call.

Raising and calling shorter stacks all ins with less than premium hands and winning a few is essential to being able to win tournaments at the FT.

If you sit and wait for premiums on final tables you won't win many tournaments.

I've hit sick runner runner outs and alike and genuinely feel bad for the guy who gets knocked out but i'm trying to win those chips so however they come is a bonus.

[GlasgowBandit]

but why is he raising in the first place with Q 6 for??

thats a muppet of the highest calibre if you ask me.

Lol. This is a comment made by some players that really annoy me.. I mean, how can you call someone a muppet for raising ?? The only time i have a problem with being beaten is when i make the raise and get the call by someone with no hand.. If however, someone was to push and im sitting there with AA and obviously call, even if he has 72 and outdraws me, i would not say a word, he has made the move, asked the question to anyone in the pot. There is nothing wrong with this. Example - I was playing on ladbrokes multi the other day and they fold to me on the cut off.. I have 45 and fancy a steal, so i raise 3x the BB. BB calls. Flop comes down 238 (which is not bad for me really).. He checks to me and i push my last couple thousand in, he then calls me. With.. 89.. I hit my straight with an A on river and he starts moaning - exactly like you have about me raising with this and then pushing in on the flop?! Now, IMO the worst part of this hand is him calling me with 89 preflop in the first place. But when you try and explain this - he cannot understand why i would raise, no matter what i said! - Can you Bandit??

At least you can get creative with the 45 I can understand a steal with that but when and if I make a steal attempt with say Q 6 I can get away with it of someone pushes all in!  in your position once you have made the steal attempt and got looked up you have 8 outs when the flop comes down, I can see why you push all in.  But i still have difficulty understanding why he calls with with Q 6 when someone comes over the top.

[mikkyT]

Because:

He tries to steal.

Short stack pushes the rest of his stack

He figures AK...

If he calls hes still got a workable stack

Hes getting better than pot odds to call. (As was mentioned above, about 2 to 1 price on a 6 to 4 bet)

[thetank]

  But i still have difficulty understanding why he calls with with Q 6 when someone comes over the top.

1/ Pot odds

2/ He still has chips if he loses.

3/ As mentioned by Flushy, to spook the table. If he calls and wins, no bugger is going to come over the top again without a genuine hand.

They know he will call, and so fold holdings like KJ, 44 to his raises, content as they are to move up the prize ladder while he locks up 2nd place.

If he calls and loses, this still works if he manages to double up.

4/ There's value to be had in knoking someone out.

5/ The chips he get when he wins the pot will give him a huge stack, which it appears as if he knows how to use.

6/ Because folding is for quitters. 

7/ Top heavy prize pool perhaps?

8/ Oh bugger, that's seven, I'll need to come up with another 2 now, to get that job on Letteman.

9/ Erm.....As Q6o has ands like J6o in a lot of trouble. 

10/ His mouse is playing up and won't visit the left hand side of the screen, where fold is located. He'll buy a new one after he wins this pot, and all but locks up a top money spot in this tournament.

[action man]

what can you say ? Its a bad beat, but not the worst in the world.

Aggressive final table play like this will IMHO prove to be profitable in the long run. Why not call his raise (you are likely to be ahead), and then jam it in on the flop. He will find the call much more difficult post flop.

simply not an option!  i think its a very marginal call but the chips he has to call your bet have probably been piched using the same methods.  I think i probably call as if i passed the whole table would know i was at it. If you call they will know this also, but will see your not passing to a re-raise. I think my play is to raise all bar 70k of my stack, this will look like more  than AK and maybe, maybe he releases, hmmmmm

[ACE2M]

try the stop go play

[Royal Flush]

But i still have difficulty understanding why he calls with with Q 6 when someone comes over the top.

Stop obsessing with getting your money in ahead and you will find whole new avenues of tournament strategy suddenly emerge in front of you that will make you a better player. It's certainly better than just assuming he is a "Muppet of the highest calibre"

[geeforce1]

what can you say ? Its a bad beat, but not the worst in the world.

Aggressive final table play like this will IMHO prove to be profitable in the long run. Why not call his raise (you are likely to be ahead), and then jam it in on the flop. He will find the call much more difficult post flop.

pushing ak is the only option to maximise ev imo. hindsight is a great thing when looking back at hands but i think elsa played it correct to extract most value overtime. the push does offer 2to1 but the play does have folding equity over a lot of hands and a lot of players.

i think his call is questionable. i would call here if i got closer to 3to1. i may even call with something like 89s, but i would fear the Q being dominated.

ul elsa but wp.

[Newmanseye]

But i still have difficulty understanding why he calls with with Q 6 when someone comes over the top.

Stop obsessing with getting your money in ahead and you will find whole new avenues of tournament strategy suddenly emerge in front of you that will make you a better player. It's certainly better than just assuming he is a "Muppet of the highest calibre"

Please stop educating the likes if bandit as he and others like him are the value at the cincins games, you will onl make my job a bit less easy.