Launch of the Amateur Poker Association & Tour (APAT)

[dik9]

while entry to the English Amateur Poker Championship will cost £67.50 with a registration fee of £7.50, subject to availability.

This does need to be addressed however as the most you can charge for registration fee would be £6.75

[Ginger]

So to play in the English poker event you have to pay £67.50 for the comp + £7.50 for the juice (how do you get around the gaming laws that say 10%?) and then an extra £10 on top of that?

Sorry if i am cynical i know this league is not for me i just see these things as quite suprising given the idea its supposed to be for the players!

Ok, what you seem to be missing is that Pro's have their own voice, if you kick up a stink people will listen.

As a amateur, the card rooms fail to notice we exist, so if I have to pay £10 for someone to put my right forward as a player I'm HAPPY TO DO SO!

Who says the casinos will listen? I know that they will be able to organise these comps with low buyins and great structures. That doesn't mean that the casinos are going to start running £50 freezeouts with 8000 starting chips does it?

Who is going to represent the amateurs as well, last time i looked Tikay and Tighty were pros!

Then surly that gives them an insight what would be fair?! Do I want a complete novice looking after my intrests? HELL NO!!  They both have a public profile and would hopefully have a greater voice than any amateur.

[ifm]

I think it'd be sold out by then Dan, you need to click like mad when reg opens online LOL

[TightEnd]

nothing planned for the blondebash to be honest, this is not a blonde related organisation

no sign up at the Broadway, online registration only

I am playing poker full time yes but both tikay and I have other sources of income than playing poker. We both come from an amateur small local comps background. Indeed I play these small comps and listen to amatuers several times a week. I'm more in tune with what a rookie wants than a sponsored pro wants, IMHO

answer to the juice question coming, hold on

[Royal Flush]

while entry to the English Amateur Poker Championship will cost £67.50 with a registration fee of £7.50, subject to availability.

This does need to be addressed however as the most you can charge for registration fee would be £6.75

Don't forget the £10 backdoor juice aswell!

[dik9]

Don't forget the £10 backdoor juice aswell!

Surely thats a one off membership fee though

[Ginger]

Don't forget the £10 backdoor juice aswell!

Surely thats a one off membership fee though

That's exactly what it is. James, stop stirring!

[ifm]

Don't forget the £10 backdoor juice aswell!

Surely thats a one off membership fee though

No there is an anual fee

[DesD]

So to play in the English poker event you have to pay £67.50 for the comp + £7.50 for the juice (how do you get around the gaming laws that say 10%?) and then an extra £10 on top of that?

Sorry if i am cynical i know this league is not for me i just see these things as quite suprising given the idea its supposed to be for the players!

Hi Royal Flush,

You have touched on a couple of very important points.

Our terms & conditions and rules have been approved by both the gambling commission and our initial venue, the Broadway Casino.  This in itself is a unique achievement, in that the Broadway Casino, a fully compliant British Casino Association venue, will run the English Amateur Poker Championship under APAT rules, and not their own.  Our rules, our structure, our clock, our payouts.

The registration charge is 10% of the overall entry charge of £75.00.  It is essential for the long term growth of the Amateur Poker Associaton & Tour, and the value it can return to players, that it is profitable and can represent itself in a professional way.  We will run the APAT as a business and in reality, if you become a Member, that should reassure you.

The APAT will add beween 37% and 77% to the prize pool throughout season one.  We hope to increase this value in season two.  An achievement to be proud of, as we did not have a Member in place when those contracts were negotiated.  Think what we could achieve with 5,000 members, or 50,000?  

The APAT will offer a fantastic opportunity to players who manage on a tight bankroll. We have the potential to positively change the face of the game in the UK.  But we need your support.  I appreciate your right to be cynical, but would invite you to reconsider your position having digested the above.  

Regards,

Des Duffy
Managing Director
Amateur Poker Limited

des@apat.com
 

[ifm]

Cynicism aside (though i have not meant to be) the sbove post is frightening.
You have managed to persuade the gaming commission that a juice of the reg fee + juice is ok?
So basically a £1000 + £100 comp can now be juiced at £110??

Oh dear. if i read this wrong then i appologise.

[Tonji]

Just had a brief glance at this. I can see only a lot of postives in this venture

[yt]

I am playing poker full time yes but both tikay and I have other sources of income than playing poker. We both come from an amateur small local comps background. Indeed I play these small comps and listen to amateurs several times a week. I'm more in tune with what a rookie wants than a sponsored pro wants, IMHO

So do you consider yourself an amateur player based on your description of one -

"For the avoidance of doubt, Membership of the Amateur Poker Association & Tour is NOT available to any individual who earns his or her SOLE income by playing poker"

As Poker is not your SOLE income would you (or someone in the same position as you) be able to play in the APAT?

Maybe a better description of an Amateur be -
"For the avoidance of doubt, Membership of the Amateur Poker Association & Tour is NOT available to any individual who earns his or her MAIN income by playing poker"

Unless you are saying that just having a separate income other than poker means you can claim amateur status?

As an example how about Vicky C? she is sponsored and earns a lot playing cards. she also does TV work and Writes articles for newspapers websites etc. Is she a pro? Poker is not her SOLE income.....

For the purposes of joining your organisation these arguments do not matter BUT when people who fall into these gray areas start turning up to play against true amateurs then you might have a problem.

Your description of a pro is open to interpretation thats all I'm saying. My concern would be "pros" turning up for an added value game with ameteurs for the value.

However, anything you can do to help poker grow in this country has to be good news.

[Claw75]

Just had a brief glance at this. I can see only a lot of postives in this venture

I agree.  It's not for me at the moment as I simply can't afford it, but this looks to be offering a fantastic opportunity for a number of people, and I hope it is a roaring success!

[dik9]

Can I just say I fully support a poker association iin this country, and am glad steps have been made this way. THE COUNTRY NEEDS IT!!

But doing this kind of registration fee, on top of an entry and a membership fee, is going to cause more problems than less. That £10 members fee will not form part of the prizepool, therefore cannot be included, under Gaming commission regulations?? Playing devils advocate, if the gaming commission are going to alter rules to suit as and when, then it will make it more of a farce  

[tikay]

Afternoon all.

Wow! This thread is moving way too fast for me to keep up.

I am about two start two threads.

1) To detrermine the relationship, or not, between blonde & APAT, & how that is handled in a fair & blonde-compliant way.

2) To explain my position, & how it relates to APAT, & blonde, & also, I hope, I will try & anticipate many of your questions.

Bear with me please, you've seen how fast I type......!

Thank you for all the kind, & some not so kind, comments. Many of the questions raised will be answered in my imminent Post.

I willl also explain - before you start! - as to why on APAT Threads & Posts, it is necessary for me to add the signature you see below. I know, it's looks pretentious, but there is a reason, so just bear with me please.

Tony Kendall
Chairman, APAT