Launch of the Amateur Poker Association & Tour (APAT)

[tikay]

"Now do I see where the profit questions are coming from?". Well, no, not really! As I asked earlier, (nobody replied), what's the problem with profit, if we get what we want?

I'll say what I think below the second quote:

"when it came to light" & "now everything is out in the open"......Again, you've whooshed me, I'm afraid. At what stage did we hide it?

sorry, that came out completely wrong. Its the notion that as an organisation for players, the assumption (at least on my part) would be that money made goes back into that organisation. At least, that is how it was for me.. because my only other exposure to stuff like this is the WPO thingy... so its easy (although its wrong) to just compare APAT to that and assume that it will be the same.

Once it became clear that it is being operated differently, I have no problem whatsoever with someone making money from this.....its not like its one directional.  I just re-read the quote above and it certainly looks like there is an underhanded accusation of illicit behaviour going on! I apologise for that, and its certainly unfair to make comparisons to another organisation and expect yours to operate the same.

Win-win

Well, I am glad that's cleared up. Next!

OK, I'm going to address the Structures now. Give me a few minutes, another War & Peace on way......

[Graham C]

Q. Am I a pro?

A. Well, honestly the only person that can answer that is yourself.  If your main method of income is playing poker and you don't hold a regular job, then yes, of course you are, why wouldn't you be?  You only have to be honest with yourselves - do you consider yourself a full time poker player?

[Robert HM]

Wow, all these postsI think I, for one, will wait to see what we are left with when the dust settles, some of these questions are really interesting and it will be just as interesting to see what tinkering will be done to make it a smooth machine.

[RED-DOG]

Nobody replied to my question asking whether I am considered to be a "pro".

I get a living (just) presently from playing lower limit cash games and tournies online and I am moderately successful

Betting on sports. Unfortunately I have to pay the bills and that has so far prevented me from moving up the limits.

But to me that is way better than working even if I put in 60 hours per week.

An answer would be appreciated.

I am in a similar situation, I woulkd like an answer too.

Ps, only 60 hours? You lazy bleeder!

[TightEnd]

Nobody replied to my question asking whether I am considered to be a "pro".

I get a living (just) presently from playing lower limit cash games and tournies online and I am moderately successful

Betting on sports. Unfortunately I have to pay the bills and that has so far prevented me from moving up the limits.

But to me that is way better than working even if I put in 60 hours per week.

An answer would be appreciated.

Sorry there was no reply earlier 9and you RED DOG too)

Under the current definition we would class you as a pro. However, many posters on this thread have raised issues about our definition and the difficulty of enforcing it.

With that in mind we are going away to think about alternatives.

We will post again on this, amongst other issues, when we have taken the feedback away and digested it

[Bongo]

Do the events have to take place in a casino?

Would it be possible to hire, say, a big hall so more can attend?

Or is this prevented by the gaming board?

[Colchester Kev]

Dear Sirs,

Firstly may i congratulate you on the launch of this enterprise, and wish you every success for the future.

I do however have one major concern, namely that the members of a fine organisation such as the PRO have been barred from entering your competitions.

As you are no doubt aware, PRO membership has dramatically increased over the past 18 months to levels that far outreached our expectations. To ban us is harsh to say the least especially as you want people to feel comfortable at your events ... i can think of no morale boost better than the ocassional AYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR from a PRO .

I hope you will reconsider your stance and show some loyalty to an organization that is considerably further advanced than yours at this stage, and that leads the way in supporting winning players and consoling the unlucky losers with equal measure.

I await a response with genuine interest.

Yours.

Colchester Kev
Founder & President of the PRO

[RED-DOG]

Do the events have to take place in a casino?

Would it be possible to hire, say, a big hall so more can attend?

Or is this prevented by the gaming board?

What about tables, chips, dealers, floorstaff, etc?

[Graham C]

What about tables, chips, dealers, floorstaff, etc?

Those board members have to earn their keep somehow

[Bongo]

They can work for free and be damn well grateful...


(err bugger! guess that ones out then?)

[TightEnd]

Do the events have to take place in a casino?

Would it be possible to hire, say, a big hall so more can attend?

Or is this prevented by the gaming board?

The venue has to be licenced by the GC

Upfront costs of doing this? let me give Mr Yong a call!!

[TightEnd]

Dear Sirs,

Firstly may i congratulate you on the launch of this enterprise, and wish you every success for the future.

I do however have one major concern, namely that the members of a fine organisation such as the PRO have been barred from entering your competitions.

As you are no doubt aware, PRO membership has dramatically increased over the past 18 months to levels that far outreached our expectations. To ban us is harsh to say the least especially as you want people to feel comfortable at your events ... i can think of no morale boost better than the ocassional AYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR from a PRO .

I hope you will reconsider your stance and show some loyalty to an organization that is considerably further advanced than yours at this stage, and that leads the way in supporting winning players and consoling the unlucky losers with equal measure.

I await a response with genuine interest.

Yours.

Colchester Kev
Founder & President of the PRO

Professional Railbirds are exempt from our professional player regulations. I look forward to welcoming you all to our free buffet events.

P.S do you need a media director?

[Karabiner]

Another point that has not been brought up as far as I am aware is the difference between "online pros" and those who make their living at the live game.

The live venue "pros" salivate at the thought of some juicy "online pros" venturing into their arena.

There is an enormous difference between the two disciplines and many successful live players are hopeless online and vice-versa.

Just another thing to consider.

[Graham C]

Kev and free buffet.

Membership fees going up next year are they

[Bongo]

"Poker Association collapses as buffet costs soar"