Is this what they call a rubdown?

[Sark79]

Was Tony G's move good?  He had a weak kicker.  I am not sure, was that a good play? 

They are four/five handed wih relatively large blinds. The value of any ace is huge.

He correctly read the raise as weak, his move was a good un.

ok, I didn't know if it was good or not 

[thetank]

As for drawing the line, I think physical violence is the only stopping point.

I disagree, I think this kind of abuse if on the same level as physical violence. sometimes your word and actions have consequences

It's quite a fundamental disagreement then.

If you view words as being on par with violence, it's perhaps why you talk of people wearing your chair.

You might see such an action as being justified, after all, he started it by trash talking you. Lot's would agree with you.
I wouldn't.

I see no justification for violence outwith the realm of physically defending yourself.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Karabiner]

What bothers me is that some people actually think that this kind of behavour is "classy".

Imagine going to play poker live, with Tony G imitators scattered all over the room thinking that they are cool.

[raab11]

ok looks like im in hte minority here but.....

these guys play together a lot and know exactly how each other act at and away from the table. on this point tony's antics are all part of a well thought out poker persona, hes not just playing that pot against perry, hes playing every subsequent pot in this game and the next and the next and the...(you get the idea).  until there are rules against this then hes done nothing wrong. i for one hope there never are rules against it.

i dont think i would act this way, but that may be more to do with being afraid of looking like a mug when mateyboy hits runner runner to ko me.

as for the whole acting like a gentleman thing, when was taking someones money gentlemanly???

the whole lithuania v russia thing seems flimsy to me, tony g talks like this against russians, americans, irish et al


however, at the risk of contradicting myself, talk to me like that at the table and poker will be the last thing on your mind for a while..

raab

[Karabiner]

The other point that springs to mind is that in the Paris EPT against Surindar everyone said his behavour was awful.

The excuse given was that Tony G was drunk and would never have acted like that sober.

He didn't seem to be drunk here.

[AdamM]

obviously I wouldnt ACTUALLY throw a chair.

Im not a nutter. Im not actually someone who solves their problems with violence. I've never initiated a fight (since school anyway) and I'm not saying I think that's anyway to conduct yourself either. what I'm saying is there's a world of difference between a bit of banter at the table to get information or induce particular action and the level of abuse TonyG hands out.

the ironic thing is that these days if he's ranting like that and the recipient calmly tells him to go F*** himself the swearer would get a time penalty but not Tony. no justice in that.

[Sark79]

Have you seen the other one with him posted by Tillerman on Youtube.  He is a moron on that as well.  How can anyone like this guy, everything about him is obnoxious

[thetank]

What bothers me is that some people actually think that this kind of behavour is "classy".

Imagine going to play poker live, with Tony G imitators scattered all over the room thinking that they are cool.

Ok, I'll fess up.

This is where I am aswell. I abhor such actions. My words on this thread have been from a devil's advocate kinda perspective.

The main reason I don't like such a thing is for what Karabiner says, we don't want hundreds of Tony G imitators running around the country. Thankfully, that behaviour won't really wash in Glasgow. 

I can't imagine many first time players would want to play live poker again if they experienced such a player. They get a verbal torrent of xenophobic drivel. Or maybe they just witness a thick atmosphere, due to quite normal respectable people wanting to chin the bassa (or maybe they even actually do take a swing).



Just taking the opposite stance to help me get into the place where Farha was in the clip. Enjoying what was going on, rather than be disgusted and angry.

I can get miffed about it the next day, but while it's going on, I don't want my reaction to such behaviour adversely affecting my EV. 

[Sark79]

. Thankfully, that behaviour won't really wash in Glasgow. 

lol,  actions like that would be sorted out by a knuckle sandwich

[thetank]

obviously I wouldnt ACTUALLY throw a chair.

Im not a nutter. Im not actually someone who solves their problems with violence. I've never initiated a fight (since school anyway) and I'm not saying I think that's anyway to conduct yourself either. what I'm saying is there's a world of difference between a bit of banter at the table to get information or induce particular action and the level of abuse TonyG hands out.

I'm happy to hear that.

Sorry if any previous posts were kinda suggesting that you were a big thug. That wasn't the intention, I was just trying to draw a clear distinction between verbal and physical abuse.

I don't really know you, but from all accounts you're a grand chap (albeit with some controversial views on moving players to different tables  )

[thetank]

Thankfully, that behaviour won't really wash in Glasgow. 

lol,  actions like that would be sorted out by a knuckle sandwich

Arrrghh, I've fallen on my arse, and Sark has pointed it out.

Having a high and mighty rant about violence one minute, and then applauding it's benefits the next. 

Touche sir, I owe you a headbutt now 

[Sark79]

 

[RED-DOG]

When you make a steal raise from the cut-off, you are a liar.

Your bet represents two cards that you arn't actually holding.

Does this mean you are untrustworthy in a position of power? Of course not, it's within the context of a game.

No, but when Tony G is in a major final in TV, his behaviour influences people. he creates the impression that humiliating people is acceptable.

It's not a big step to assume that humiliating and bullying people is ok in other situations.

A respected player and poker journalist such as yourself openly condoning his actions re-enforces that notion.

[thetank]

Fair point Red. Perhaps I should have layed out the context of my remarks before I actually made them.

As you know, my real position is that I believe the man embodies a hellava lot of what is wrong with poker.

Taking an opposite stance can sometimes helps to clarify your true position on such matters.

Also for what I said earlier about figuring out how to act when Tony, or one of his acolytes, invades your final table. It doesn't do good to get upset when you're involved in big money desicions.

[Sark79]

Do you think he would act this way against the superstar players?  People such as DB, Daniel Negreanu or Johhny Chan.  I don't think he would because it wouldn't be accepted. Other players would openly say he is a idiot.  The players he has done this kind of thing against are good pro's, but they aren't in the superstar league