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« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2006, 01:42:15 PM »

Why should Tony G have to change?   Because poker is on the telly every other minute?

because we all play on the internet everyday?

Because the expansion of the industry allows us to play live more often?

This makes me laugh, the guys that have been grinding it out for 30 years at poker BEFORE internet, BEFORE tv took over every other tournament have been playing like this for years.

But now that people see it on the almighty T.V they think they know everything about the game and because they play online but NEVER played live before they played online they think they know better than everyone else who's been in the game DECADES longer than they have.

They only see what poker has offered for the last 5 years and readily discount the "adult" traditions of the game because they've been brainwashed by the glamorisation of poker over the last few years that gives newcomers/internet players an erroneous perception of the games traditions.

This is Tony Gs living and he can do what he likes, are you all going to pay his bills for him.

I'm telling you this is excepted play in the era before internet and t.v poker and there wernt any complaints cos there wernt many spectators; The  other players just accept it as a occupational hazard and got on with things, much as they do now, they dont complain its just the people watching that do.

society changes so quickly these days you dont know where you stand.

You listen to Doyle Brunson tell stories about how he plays the SAME game now with the SAME kind of people that you would be arrested for back when he used to play in bars and back rooms of clubs, 40 years later and T.V says............."erm  hang on a sec we've decided that these people are now almighty god like SUPERSTARS"!!!!!!!!!!!!

does anyone actually know what this game has been about for the last 200 years are are you all so enchanted by the T.V reality of the game that things have become so distorted we all have to do what is T.V friendly.
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« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2006, 01:45:22 PM »

Why should Tony G have to change?   Because poker is on the telly every other minute?

because we all play on the internet everyday?

Because the expansion of the industry allows us to play live more often?

This makes me laugh, the guys that have been grinding it out for 30 years at poker BEFORE internet, BEFORE tv took over every other tournament have been playing like this for years.

But now that people see it on the almighty T.V they think they know everything about the game and because they play online but NEVER played live before they played online they think they know better than everyone else who's been in the game DECADES longer than they have.

They only see what poker has offered for the last 5 years and readily discount the "adult" traditions of the game because they've been brainwashed by the glamorisation of poker over the last few years that gives newcomers/internet players an erroneous perception of the games traditions.

This is Tony Gs living and he can do what he likes, are you all going to pay his bills for him.

I'm telling you this is excepted play in the era before internet and t.v poker and there wernt any complaints cos there wernt many spectators; The  other players just accept it as a occupational hazard and got on with things, much as they do now, they dont complain its just the people watching that do.

society changes so quickly these days you dont know where you stand.

You listen to Doyle Brunson tell stories about how he plays the SAME game now with the SAME kind of people that you would be arrested for back when he used to play in bars and back rooms of clubs, 40 years later and T.V says............."erm  hang on a sec we've decided that these people are now almighty god like SUPERSTARS"!!!!!!!!!!!!

does anyone actually know what this game has been about for the last 200 years are are you all so enchanted by the T.V reality of the game that things have become so distorted we all have to do what is T.V friendly.


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« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2006, 01:51:53 PM »

I don't agree, Bolt is talking about before it was on TV and before it was influencing people.

If you want to go back in time to justify things, why not go back to the time when if one man upset another, he would kill him with a club?
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« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2006, 01:59:39 PM »

I don't agree, Bolt is talking about before it was on TV and before it was influencing people.

If you want to go back in time to justify things, why not go back to the time when if one man upset another, he would kill him with a club?

now your talkin tom, theres too much wishy washy liberalism in the world today
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« Reply #49 on: August 06, 2006, 02:08:58 PM »

poker needs characters but it doesnt need that. new players come along with shocking etiquette after seeing Tony G / Helmuth / insert name of stroppy table banger here.

I wouldnt have made the call with KJ but If I was sat there with a bigger ace and TonyG had outdrawn me with the 2 and spoke to me like that I'd have ended up banned because he'd be wearing my chair.

no justification for speaking to another human being like that. none at all

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« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2006, 02:11:35 PM »

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This is Tony Gs living

Actually Tony G is a pretty wealthy guy from a number of different business interests and therefore will be more than welcome to play in the Amateur Poker League. Cool
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« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2006, 02:15:30 PM »

poker needs characters but it doesnt need that. new players come along with shocking etiquette after seeing Tony G / Helmuth / insert name of stroppy table banger here.

I wouldnt have made the call with KJ but If I was sat there with a bigger ace and TonyG had outdrawn me with the 2 and spoke to me like that I'd have ended up banned because he'd be wearing my chair.

no justification for speaking to another human being like that. none at all

Create distance and Grab a Chair!  Cheesy

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I love that, Ive never heard someone so proficiently convey(sober) the intricacies of bar room brawling.

He did miss out the.... "if you can find seven of your Friends to jump in in as well thats great" technique!!!
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« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2006, 02:24:23 PM »

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

That guy is absolutely insane .  I have never seen that before
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« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2006, 02:29:00 PM »

Yay, it's been a whiley since I got to have a pop at ol' boltie. Here we go.


I'm telling you this is excepted play in the era before internet and t.v poker and there wernt any complaints cos there wernt many spectators; The  other players just accept it as a occupational hazard and got on with things, much as they do now, they dont complain its just the people watching that do.


We'll start here, it's probably the easiset stanza to dig in to.  Cheesy

The other players do complain, all those Freenchy fuddies at the fianl table of that Aviation Club were a bit miffed at his antics. They weren't just the specttors, they were his opponents.

As for non-televised poker. A quick rummage through some old blonde threads will fruit some rants that spring from players who actually faced him, rather than just watched him on the box.

To suggest everyone just gets on with it is a little silly. If they did, there would be no value in the man behaving as he does. They should, but they don't.



does anyone actually know what this game has been about for the last 200 years are are you all so enchanted by the T.V reality of the game that things have become so distorted we all have to do what is T.V friendly.


Regardless of whether the game is the same now as it was 30 or 200 years ago (which I've heard it's not) anyone who is appearing on TV, winning millions of currency units, should really accept a little responsibilty that their actions will be looked up to.

It's their choice of course whether they acknowledge this responsibilty or not. Just as it's my choice to look down upon anyone who so blatantly ignores it.

This choice i make, not with any poker credentials. I don't feel the need to have been playing for 30 years to express disgust at a man who is humiliating players to look cool. Indeed, he does look cool doing it (from a low common denominator vantage at least) and that's why it's rather dangerous.

If I had kids, and they saw one of Tony G's poker specials, I'd feel the need to sit them down and explain why belittling and humilating people is kinda naughty. They are likely to copy such behaviour in a playground context. Ok, they're likely to do this anyway, it's human nature for kids to behave in this manner. Trying to steer them towards acting in a more adult fashion is made all the more difficult when they see childish taunting on the tv from a man who is making much more money than Daddy is.

That's all from a non-poker perspective.


From a poker one, his behaviour at a final (I don't care so much what he does getting there) gains him no edge.

As I've previously pointed out, he would have been better off (in the long run) had KJ passed to the raise. If he knew what his opponent held, I'm sure he would choose to take down the already sizeable pot then and there, rather than risk pretty much all his chips in a situation where he only is the very slight favourite.

In short, his style needs cards to win.
I don't think he is a poker genious, I look up to guys who get it quietly.

His antics, IMO, are more to do with ensuring that he is a memorable "name" and thus having an increased media presence, than getting any edge at the final.

Well he does very well at this I suppose. It doesn't matter, I'm sure, what people say about him, so long as they are talking about him. Maybe that's his buisness head working.
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« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2006, 02:35:14 PM »

What bothers me is that some people actually think that this kind of behavour is "classy".

Imagine going to play poker live, with Tony G imitators scattered all over the room thinking that they are cool.

"Imagine.....Tony G imitators....""

I dont have to imagine , I see it all the time. It disgusts me. Peeps see it on TV, & it's contagious, they imitate the TV guys. We've seen it in Football, spitting & scowling, next thing, it's done on the Sunday morning park game. I was in Africa a few years back, & the kids there had seen it, & were doing it. It's "hard", "cool", "tough" in the eyes of some kids.

In my mind, it has no place in life, & no place in poker. We will end up with a Poker version of WWF. If I had my way, and poker had a Governing Body, I would impose severe penalties for improper behaviour at the Poker table.

Try thinking of the players behavioural differences between Premiership Football & Rugby Union. One ill-disciplined, "winning" a penalty or feigning injury is applauded. In the other, the player wholly accepts discipline, & would not dream of feigning injury or applauding a dubiously won Penalty. A Governing Body is the only way. Rugby Union has  superb one, Association Football does not.  (A further analogy between a well run & a badly run sport, think of the glory of Twickenham, & the utter farce of the new Wembley Stadium). We gotta get our house in order.

I should add, that Tony G is a friend, & remains one. Even so, I despise his on-table behaviour, & have told him so. One day, I hope he will clean his act up.
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« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2006, 02:38:13 PM »

I was wondering.  Does, Tony G have a permanent chat ban on every site he plays at?  Cheesy
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« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2006, 03:09:33 PM »

If someone acted like that at a blondebash to someone else, what would you think of that person? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #57 on: August 06, 2006, 03:14:07 PM »

I am more suprised and disappointed that some posters on here think he is a "class act" and "brilliant" than at the behaviour itself.

These posters clearly think bullying and humiliating people is acceptable behaviour. This makes me very sad indeed.

One day Guoga will rubdown the wrong opponent and get a fist in his face. I won't condone that action either but it will be totally understandable.
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« Reply #58 on: August 06, 2006, 03:15:02 PM »

I would love to see someone snap and hit him at the table..see if he can take it like a man.
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« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2006, 03:19:36 PM »

Another thought just occured to me.

How on earth can casinos give players a ten minute penalty for the "F Bomb" and nothing for actions like this.

Goes to prove how ridiculous American society is IMO.
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