Etiquette Question

[RobS]

Well I'm only throwing in my tuppence worth because I was asked. And if RED-DOG is to believed neither of you will speak to me again. Etiquette is a very hard word to spell and it's even harder to agree what comes under the umbrella.
However, If I was playing this pot in Keith's position. I would have immediately turned my cards over after the check-check action on the end. I think it is a pain in the neck when the person who should be first doesn't do this. (I consider it bad etikette)
In 20 years of poker I don't recall ever asking to see a losing hand when I have won the pot. I dont think it's nice to rub the loser's nose it. (I consider it bad etuiquet) Although of course you do have every right to annoy people if you so wish.
Personally I think you should both drop the ball as you are both acting a bit silly here. This isnt some political sitting on the fence. I genuinely believe that neither of you acted in the interests of a friendly smooth running poker game.
 

Hi Dave, thanks for offering your opinion. I just want to make clear that it was not my intention to annoy Keith or rub his nose in it. I wanted the rules to be abided by and his hand to be shown. The fact that he should have shown his hand first, but didn't and when he didn't I tabled my hand I believe is neither here nor there and I did that to stop any timewasting in a potential 'Chinese Standoff' situation, as someone put it. I called a bet to see his hand, and I shouldn't have been put in a position where I have to ask to see the hand. And if the same situation arose again I would feel quite comfortable doing the same thing. When Keith declared 'one pair' I was quite annoyed and thought to myself 'just turn your two cards over, it's not that difficult'.
Well the same situation won't arise with Keith again because I guess in future he will just turn his cards over like a good professional should, thanks to the feedback of this forum.

I would quite like this to be my last post on this subject as I feel it has now been exhausted.

Regards and no ill feelings to anyone

Rob

[dik9]

9.01 ORDER OF SHOWDOWN.
Upon completion of action on the final betting round, the dealer shall ask the players to show their hands. If more than one player contests a pot through the final betting round, the pot will be awarded to the best hand pursuant to the rules of the game upon a showdown of hands. If there has been a bet but no raise on the final betting round, then the player who made the bet shall show his hand first, followed by other players still contesting the pot, in clockwise rotation. If there has been a bet and raise or multiple raises on the final betting round, then the person who made the final raise shall show his hand first. If there has been no bet on the final round then the showdown begins with the player who had the obligation of first action on the final betting round--the player under the gun in draw and board games or the player with the highest board in stud games.

9.02 PROBABLE WINNER AT SHOWDOWN.
In the interests of efficiency and speeding up the game, a player who is reasonably certain he has the winning hand should turn over his hand immediately, regardless of the order of showdown. If a player does so, then other players at the showdown who can beat that hand should also turn their hands over immediately.

9.08 REQUESTS TO SEE A CALLED HAND.
Players shall not be entitled to see a called hand except in cases where there is a reasonable suspicion of collusion, in which case the floorperson shall be called over for examination of the called hand. This is contrary to the traditional rule. However the traditional rule, which was designed to prevent collusion, has not served its original purpose. Asking to see called hands slows down the game, causes resentment and impedes action. In high limit games, the right to see a called hand is limited to situations where a floorperson is present for the request. The purpose of this rule is to protect against collusion, not to satisfy a player's curiosity or get a read on a player's style of play, or worst of all, to intentionally irritate a player. Abuse of this rule is very bad for poker as it kills action and causes resentment. A player who was involved on the turn may request a hand be shown, this is entirely the choice of the player involved but continuous requests to see hands shall be considered a breach of poker etiquette and may be grounds for removal from the game. There is no right to see a called losing hand under any circumstances in head's up play.

These rules are "CARO AND COOKES"

Posted on page 1 of thread. Why does nobody listen to me? LOL

[byronkincaid]

July 26

For the first 6 months of this period, my online play was exclusively on Betfair, until I got so hacked off with the software that I could take no more

August 9

I'm absolutely delighted to write that Betfair Poker have decided to sponsor me to play in the Main Event of the UK Open in Luton this Saturday

 

[Colchester Kev]

OUCH .... a bit below the belt i think, and nothing to do with the discussion.

[RobS]

 

That's the main reason Betfair offered to sponsor me in the first place, because I cut down my play on their site due to the shoddiness of the Cryptological Software. It's not exactly a big secret. The software is far more reliable at the moment though