uk on critical alert

[BigTomatoes]

 and it isnt just a couple of hours extra in an airport ,

 they are searching old ladies shoes for bombs, making young mums drink baby milk to prove its not anthrax etc etc.

 what kind of society is this?

[ariston]

 what exactly is good and fair about having your life controlled by fear ?

who is trying to control our life with fear?
Is it the government who is trying to blow things up or the religous nutters?
I would rather spend an extra hour in an airport and be sure of getting to my destination in one rather than a million peices. So what I cant take hand luggage on.

[Colchester Kev]

and it isnt just a couple of hours extra in an airport ,

 they are searching old ladies shoes for bombs, making young mums drink baby milk to prove its not anthrax etc etc.

 what kind of society is this?

The type of society in which young men of 18 years think that strapping x amount of explosives to themselves and killing as many people as possible will take them and their families to martyrdom...  have you been living on a desert island for the past few years ?

[Claw75]

well, I for one would much rather wake up to today's headlines than headlines that 100s of people have been killed in a series of explosions on planes.  I must admit my first thought was 'what news are they trying to bury today?', but I'm fairly satisfied now that the government appear to have done a good job today of foiling an attack.  Perhaps I'm being naive in the extreme, if so, so be it.

[ariston]

and it isnt just a couple of hours extra in an airport ,

 they are searching old ladies shoes for bombs, making young mums drink baby milk to prove its not anthrax etc etc.

 what kind of society is this?

Is there any age restriction on being a terrorist? Mums aren't being made to drink milk to prove its not anthrax- the new wave of nutters were going to use a "liquid explosive". All fluids are now banned from being taken onto planes. Obviously they wont stop a mum taking milk on for her baby but lets just make sure its milk shall we. If they just stopped asian mothers people would be going mental so they have to have the same rules for all mothers. If they only searched the shoes of black men aged 18-35 (almost all the peole who do this type of thing fall into these parameters) then people would be shouting racist police. They have to check everyones shoes because of the PC society we live in.

[henrik777]

'Intelligence'? Wonder who's thesis they've ripped off this time? This is all a fabricated smokescreen to take the focus off of Israel/Lebanon IMO. I'd fly anytime anyplace, no fear.

If the 9/11 or 7/7 bombers had been apprehended in the days leading up to the attacks some people would have been jumping up and down and saying how wrong it was blah blah blah. It seems the only proof acceptable to these people is actual video footage of the terrorists  doing the job but by then they already blame someone for not stopping them. Never anything to help stop it or help it not happen again.

Sandy

Maybe we should be looking at root causes?

Instead of backing invasions of people we're not too keen on for spurious reasons?

Did the families of any of the 7/7 or 9/11 attacks back the invasions ? Did i ? Does it really matter/make a difference ?

I am neither involved in the "reasons" for the attack nor the attacks but neither am i after timing like the goons who know it all after the event or who never admit when a government/agency gets it right.

Sandy

[Rod Paradise]

I don't know why people put Iraq and this in the same argument. I don't think we should have gone into Iraq let alone still be out there. The things that our being done worldwide by extremist groups aren't anything to do with wars, there are a small number of religous nuts who will do anything to prove their beliefs.
Many years ago I was in a building blown up by terrorists. The IRA was really a business and although they "fought" under the banner of religion it was still run as a protection racket/money making organisation. The terrorists nowadays just want to cause as much carnage as possible and dont care who they take out, as long as you are an infedel you are a fair target.

Gonna quote your sources on that Ariston? Just because you believe something, or the government tells you it, or the press say it, doesn't make it a fact.

[Robert HM]

Lets' not get too political, correct or otherwise, please folks.

[Rod Paradise]

'Intelligence'? Wonder who's thesis they've ripped off this time? This is all a fabricated smokescreen to take the focus off of Israel/Lebanon IMO. I'd fly anytime anyplace, no fear.

If the 9/11 or 7/7 bombers had been apprehended in the days leading up to the attacks some people would have been jumping up and down and saying how wrong it was blah blah blah. It seems the only proof acceptable to these people is actual video footage of the terrorists  doing the job but by then they already blame someone for not stopping them. Never anything to help stop it or help it not happen again.

Sandy

Maybe we should be looking at root causes?

Instead of backing invasions of people we're not too keen on for spurious reasons?

Did the families of any of the 7/7 or 9/11 attacks back the invasions ? Did i ? Does it really matter/make a difference ?

I am neither involved in the "reasons" for the attack nor the attacks but neither am i after timing like the goons who know it all after the event or who never admit when a government/agency gets it right.

Sandy

Goons? Fair enough... My point still stands.

As for your rhetoric, how many of the civilians killed in Afghanistan or Iraq backed the 7/7 or 9/11 attacks? (ps I reckon more of the survivors in both countries backed the 7/7).

My point which you missed was while we're trying to stop attacks, we are also creating the climate for more &  it doesn't make sense.

[MrMoves]

I had my shoes checked at Las Vegas airport, as did everybody going through security.  No problems with that, I had clean socks on.

I'm all for extra security.  I have nothing to hide.

[Newmanseye]

wow I find its amazing how these threads seem to race off, everyone seems to have an opinion on how the goverments are doing things wrong, or how best to justify the madmen in their quest for carnage.

The last time I checked we lived in a democracy, we have the ability to change what we do not agree with, o if you want to take the risk of becoming incinerated over the Atlantic then we should ask the taliban or al queda to start their own Airline. Bomber roulette just for the people that want to rush through check in and leave their lives in the hands of maniacs.

The most shocking part of the news I heard this morning was that the suspects are all home grown, British men of asian origin, If people do not like this country or its values, why not move to a place where you would enjoy their values.

I think its about time i gave up on the UK, Take my family to some place like the Canary Islands, nice and remote and self contained.

[johnlarsson]

I think its about time i gave up on the UK, Take my family to some place like the Canary Islands, nice and remote and self contained.

ATTN - Bin Laden,

Mission complete,

return to base

[henrik777]

'Intelligence'? Wonder who's thesis they've ripped off this time? This is all a fabricated smokescreen to take the focus off of Israel/Lebanon IMO. I'd fly anytime anyplace, no fear.

If the 9/11 or 7/7 bombers had been apprehended in the days leading up to the attacks some people would have been jumping up and down and saying how wrong it was blah blah blah. It seems the only proof acceptable to these people is actual video footage of the terrorists  doing the job but by then they already blame someone for not stopping them. Never anything to help stop it or help it not happen again.

Sandy

Maybe we should be looking at root causes?

Instead of backing invasions of people we're not too keen on for spurious reasons?

Did the families of any of the 7/7 or 9/11 attacks back the invasions ? Did i ? Does it really matter/make a difference ?

I am neither involved in the "reasons" for the attack nor the attacks but neither am i after timing like the goons who know it all after the event or who never admit when a government/agency gets it right.

Sandy

Goons? Fair enough... My point still stands.

As for your rhetoric, how many of the civilians killed in Afghanistan or Iraq backed the 7/7 or 9/11 attacks? (ps I reckon more of the survivors in both countries backed the 7/7).

My point which you missed was while we're trying to stop attacks, we are also creating the climate for more &  it doesn't make sense.

The media create the hysteria things and yes it doesn't make sense to have it hyped up so much. But the media don't care as they have a chance to increase numbers.

I don't actually think it matters who backs what. If the governments think it's right to do something they will. If a terrorist wants to do something they will. Reasons don't really matter to either side.

Many Afghans and Iraqis have been show on tv supporting the forces. Perhaps even those killed pre war in their own countries might have too.

Sandy

[Newmanseye]

wow I find its amazing how these threads seem to race off, everyone seems to have an opinion on how the goverments are doing things wrong, or how best to justify the madmen in their quest for carnage.

The last time I checked we lived in a democracy, we have the ability to change what we do not agree with, o if you want to take the risk of becoming incinerated over the Atlantic then we should ask the taliban or al queda to start their own Airline. Bomber roulette just for the people that want to rush through check in and leave their lives in the hands of maniacs.

The most shocking part of the news I heard this morning was that the suspects are all home grown, British men of asian origin, If people do not like this country or its values, why not move to a place where you would enjoy their values.

I think its about time i gave up on the UK, Take my family to some place like the Canary Islands, nice and remote and self contained.

ATTN - Bin Laden,

Mission complete,

return to base

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Piss off

[Rooky9]

Tomato ffs wake up, get off your high horse...

In the big picture the inconvinience anything today causes will not effect you or have any long term effect on anyone - if these thing had not been it place they could have had massive consequences for millions of people.