Fair game or out of order.

[thetank]

13 left in a MTT.

Button and SB both have roughly 4 big blinds. BB has 2 big blinds.

Button is thinking about acting, SB announces that he is to go all-in while Button is still making desicion.

Iz this ok in your books???

[leighton_87]

Not in my books but I'm no expert

[Nem]

13 left in a MTT.

Button and SB both have roughly 4 big blinds. BB has 2 big blinds.

Button is thinking about acting, SB announces that he is to go all-in while Button is still making desicion.

Iz this ok in your books???

Nope

[Wardonkey]

It breaks no rule that I can think of.

What is the objection?

[4KingNutz]

Well thats poker it is about lies but the button has prolly allready made up his mind on what he is going to do, but if the sb has affected the buttons decsision then he has won the bluff game even if he wasent fibbing but i think it sounds normal

[totalise]

what about if the BB also declares they are all in. Does this make the SB's action incorrect but the BB's correct? does it make them both incorrect? correct?

[Acidmouse]

Kev does that all the time

[Claw75]

I was the BB here.  I didn't take particular exception until a couple of people pointed out to him that it was a bit out of order.  Not the sort of game I'd play though.  But there are different rules for girls apparently

totalise - my comment that i was all in too was kind of tongue in cheek.  Having posted a BB of 10,000 leaving only 7,000 behind I was going to be all in whatever I had.

[totalise]

tongue in cheek or not isn't the point, its a $5 tourney, people fold their BB there. My point is, if its incorrect for the SB to declare his actions (maybe he was tongue in cheek as well?) then its incorrect for the BB (you) to do it as well.

[Claw75]

tongue in cheek or not isn't the point, its a $5 tourney, people fold their BB there. My point is, if its incorrect for the SB to declare his actions (maybe he was tongue in cheek as well?) then its incorrect for the BB (you) to do it as well.

as I said, I didn't really have a problem with it.  I didn't say 'I am all in', I said 'me too' after the SB had said it.  I would never have said anything otherwise.

[thetank]

Imagine the same thing, but on the bubble, and everyone else has much larger stacks.

The button is stuck with a marginal, he knows the SB might fold. He really doesn't want to let the short stack get a walk. While pondering, SB says he has it covered, decision over.
The two short stacks have increased their EV by communicating their hand strength, at the expense of the micro stack.

My objection is the precedent it sets.

[thetank]

Something totally needs to be done about that Claw woman, she's dangerous and a law onto herself. That's kinda a seperate issue though. 

[Claw75]

Something totally needs to be done about that Claw woman, she's dangerous and a law onto herself. That's kinda a seperate issue though. 

[thetank]

It breaks no rule that I can think of.

What is the objection?

Precedent is the objection. Players shouldn't be communicating their hand strength with one another to increase their mutual EV.


Satellite bubble, 6 seats available, 5 left.

Everyone has 50,000 chips except BB who has 10,000 chips. Blinds are 4k/8k

Player on the Button has KK, announces to the table that his hand is very strong and he intends to play it, before anyone else has a chance to act.

Would you be ok with this?

[bhoywonder]

the 1st problem??

if it happened live?

would this be speechplay and part of the game?


or still out of order?

bad ettiquette..yes for sure


but against the rules...i don't think so