Fold or Call?

[tantrum]

The winner takes all.
Do I fold here or call?
whln is a tight aggressive>

I now think I should not have raised the pot.  ...

Level XVII: 1,500 Ante 5,000/10,000 Blinds     (500 Minimum Chip)
Average Stack: 278,000     (10,000 starting chips)
Remaining Players: 5     (139 started)
Seat 4 : ToneCapone65 starts with 683,500
Seat 6 : Pulinese starts with 50,500
Seat 8 : MYCASHNOW starts with 252,500
Seat 9 : leilelucas starts with 230,000
Seat 10 : whln17 starts with 180,500
Seat 10 : whln17 has the dealer button
>>>DEALING HOLE CARDS<<<
leilelucas dealt down  
ToneCapone65 posts the ante 1,500
Pulinese posts the ante 1,500
MYCASHNOW posts the ante 1,500
leilelucas posts the ante 1,500
whln17 posts the ante 1,500
ToneCapone65 posts the small blind 5,000
Pulinese posts the big blind 10,000
ToneCapone65: gg
MYCASHNOW folds
leilelucas raises 32,500 to 42,500
whln17 raises 136,500 to 179,000 and is all-in

[boldie]

I am assuming this is a final table situation and as you said winner takes all....hmmm I'd be tempted to call here. and assume it's a race with you 60-40 fav.

[totalise]

I'd fold here pretty much 0% of the time.

[tantrum]

It was a final table, Qualifier for the next stage to the big 30k tournament on one of the freerolls.

[Horneris]

Fold.

[Horneris]

Winner takes all though, i interpret as "Loser takes nothing".

And if you call with the 10 10, then you could easily be up against a higher pair, or usually against 2 higher cards.

And if he has higher cards, then you are only a marginal favourite to win.

(Edited, becuase i admit i made a mistake and thought, because his username different to his blonde name, that he was up against 2 people)

[Nem]

Winner takes all though, i interpret as "Loser takes nothing".

And if you call with the 10 10, then you could easily be up against a higher pair, or usually against 2 higher cards.

And if they both have higher cards, then you are only a marginal favourite to win.

Yeah, but if it is a freeroll satellite to a bigger tournament or a 10k buyin to a winner takes all SNG your decision should be different. IMO

[totalise]

Winner takes all though, i interpret as "Loser takes nothing".

yes, compared to normal tournaments where losers still get something, and are rewarded for being tight by moving up the payladder

When its winner take all, there is no pay ladder, its just a leap of faith from zero to hero, so typically people will be a bit more adventurous in their standards as they need to win every chip on the table to get anything from the tourney. You are gonna find it hard to do that if you dont take a risk sometime, especially with the blinds this high. This applies to your opponents as well, which is why (imo) calling with TT here is pretty routine.

And if you call with the 10 10, then you could easily be up against a higher pair

possibly....but we cant always live in fear of the nuts!

or usually against 2 higher cards.

which would be alrite, given that the pot is laying you odds. Theres also the non insignificant chance that they have an under pair, and given that a high % of people will move in this spot with most pocket pairs, 4 pairs bigger then us and 8 pairs smaller then us makes it likely we will be a 4/1 fav rather then a 4/1 dog

And if they both have higher cards, then you are only a marginal favourite to win.

both? we are up against one person...............

[boldie]

Winner takes all though, i interpret as "Loser takes nothing".

yes, compared to normal tournaments where losers still get something, and are rewarded for being tight by moving up the payladder

When its winner take all, there is no pay ladder, its just a leap of faith from zero to hero, so typically people will be a bit more adventurous in their standards as they need to win every chip on the table to get anything from the tourney. You are gonna find it hard to do that if you dont take a risk sometime, especially with the blinds this high. This applies to your opponents as well, which is why (imo) calling with TT here is pretty routine.

And if you call with the 10 10, then you could easily be up against a higher pair

possibly....but we cant always live in fear of the nuts!

or usually against 2 higher cards.

which would be alrite, given that the pot is laying you odds. Theres also the non insignificant chance that they have an under pair, and given that a high % of people will move in this spot with most pocket pairs, 4 pairs bigger then us and 8 pairs smaller then us makes it likely we will be a 4/1 fav rather then a 4/1 dog

And if they both have higher cards, then you are only a marginal favourite to win.

both? we are up against one person...............

excellent summary totalise...

[Nem]

The winner takes all.
Do I fold here or call?
whln is a tight aggressive>

I now think I should not have raised the pot.  ...

Level XVII: 1,500 Ante 5,000/10,000 Blinds     (500 Minimum Chip)
Average Stack: 278,000     (10,000 starting chips)
Remaining Players: 5     (139 started)
Seat 4 : ToneCapone65 starts with 683,500
Seat 6 : Pulinese starts with 50,500
Seat 8 : MYCASHNOW starts with 252,500
Seat 9 : leilelucas starts with 230,000
Seat 10 : whln17 starts with 180,500
Seat 10 : whln17 has the dealer button
>>>DEALING HOLE CARDS<<<
leilelucas dealt down  
ToneCapone65 posts the ante 1,500
Pulinese posts the ante 1,500
MYCASHNOW posts the ante 1,500
leilelucas posts the ante 1,500
whln17 posts the ante 1,500
ToneCapone65 posts the small blind 5,000
Pulinese posts the big blind 10,000
ToneCapone65: gg
MYCASHNOW folds
leilelucas raises 32,500 to 42,500
whln17 raises 136,500 to 179,000 and is all-in

[totalise]

?

[Nem]

?

You may be up against 1 or 2 opponents, if he goes all in, the initial raiser may call.

[totalise]

he is the initial raiser...i'm assuming everyone else already folded and its back on him

[Nem]

he is the initial raiser...i'm assuming everyone else already folded and its back on him

It has been a long night.

I'm calling everytime.

[tantrum]

Totalise's assumption was right every1 folded to me;

he is the initial raiser...i'm assuming everyone else already folded and its back on him   

He is she


My way of thinking was along the lines of totalise.  Only when I lost I doubted if my call was correct, but thinking back I would do it the same in the winner takes all scenario.


ToneCapone65 folds
Pulinese folds
leilelucas calls 136,500
whln17 cards were  
leilelucas cards were  
>>>DEALING FLOP<<< [ ]
>>>DEALING TURN<<< [ ]
>>>DEALING RIVER<<< [ ]
whln17 wins 380,500 with two pair, jacks and threes
>>>SUMMARY<<<
Hand Ended: Sunday September 10th 5:50:45 PM CDT 2006
Total Pot: 380,500
Board: [ ]
Seat 4 : ToneCapone65 (small blind) lost 6,500, folded pre-flop
Seat 6 : Pulinese (big blind) lost 11,500, folded pre-flop
Seat 8 : MYCASHNOW lost 1,500, folded pre-flop
Seat 9 : leilelucas lost 180,500, showed hand [ ]
Seat 10 : whln17 (button) bet 180,500, won 380,500, net +200,000,
showed hand [ ]