Just playing cash at the mo.....

[Rookie (Rodney)]

 Hand Start.
[Sep 15 02:27:11] : Seat 1 : LUV MY NUTZ has $995.27
[Sep 15 02:27:11] : Seat 2 : RookITB has $620
[Sep 15 02:27:11] : Seat 3 : 88rocky88 has $745
[Sep 15 02:27:11] : Seat 4 : Pab 09 has $841
[Sep 15 02:27:11] : Seat 5 : Palak20037 has $525.63
[Sep 15 02:27:11] : Seat 6 : TheVanity has $1,298.37
[Sep 15 02:27:11] : RookITB is the dealer.
[Sep 15 02:27:12] : 88rocky88 posted small blind.
[Sep 15 02:27:12] : Pab 09 posted big blind.
[Sep 15 02:27:12] : Game [37756] started with 6 players.
[Sep 15 02:27:12] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Sep 15 02:27:12] : Seat 2 : RookITB has
[Sep 15 02:27:15] : Palak20037 called $10
[Sep 15 02:27:16] : TheVanity folded.
[Sep 15 02:27:17] : LUV MY NUTZ folded.
[Sep 15 02:27:21] : RookITB called $10 and raised $20
[Sep 15 02:27:28] : RookITB : its all good
[Sep 15 02:27:30] : 88rocky88 folded.
[Sep 15 02:27:31] : Pab 09 folded.
[Sep 15 02:27:35] : Palak20037 called $20
[Sep 15 02:27:36] : Dealing flop.
[Sep 15 02:27:36] : Board cards [ ]
[Sep 15 02:27:39] : Palak20037 checked.
[Sep 15 02:27:44] : RookITB bet $40
[Sep 15 02:27:45] : Palak20037 called $40
[Sep 15 02:27:46] : Dealing turn.
[Sep 15 02:27:46] : Board cards [ ]
[Sep 15 02:27:48] : Palak20037 checked.
[Sep 15 02:27:56] : RookITB bet $60
[Sep 15 02:27:58] : Palak20037 called $60
[Sep 15 02:27:58] : Dealing river.
[Sep 15 02:27:58] : Board cards [ ]
[Sep 15 02:28:04] : Palak20037 bet $160


What do you do here? I know that i have to call, the thing that i wondered was how many of you would raise, and how many of you would just flat call??

[daviebhoy]

I'd say normally you should raise but because you have posted this here I am guessing the guy has slow played TT or T8 thinking he had you beat only to hit his miracle card on the river. Its very difficult to put him on those hands tho from the action. If you raise and he re-raises you then you are probably in some trouble and should fold. If you flat call then you are probably costing yourself dosh long term as he is probably holding AT or something like that. I am guessing he has you beat but it would take some doing not to call that bet on the river with the straight. If your instincts tell you to be worried then flat call - otherwise raise. You cannot always be scared your opponent has the nuts but I am guessing this guy is holding T8 and you have just got unlucky.

dn

[Newmanseye]

Flat call is the safe play here, it seems to have been a passive hand as he is flat calling representing      or possibly  (depending on the player) I would hesitate to put this opponent on quads or even the boat, I think they read you for a big pair and are calling you down with top pair  ( possibly TPTK ) hence the big bet on the river.

Given its a cash game I would be inclined to push given the way the hand has played out, if i am wrong i am reloading.

[TheGreenOne]

  definately! I put him on   

[boldie]

definately! I put him on   

ok...I have no history or knowledge about the other player, as you didn't post any, but I am thinking 2 situations from the way he flatcalled you raise on the flop

1 he hit his set there.

He won't have A10 as he would have reraised you (or atleast i would have).

He hit is set and that's why he's flat calling you on the flop and the turn. there is no way this guy has A 10 and gives you free shots at hitting cards. So on the river he hit his quads or full house and you're stuffed. This is why he is betting out on the river, he doesn't want you to be able to check it and for him to lose out on a pay day. I am thinking he's got pocket 4's as this is the way I like to lay them..noone puts you on them if you don't raise pre-flop..

OR, he is slow playing Aces..VERY POORLY...and on this board thinks they are still good. (if he is a rubbish player he might have done this hoping you'd hit a pair....but it would be astoundingly bad play)

I am assuming he is a half decent player and wouldn't have played the big pair like this, therefore i would definetly put him on the FH. This rules out the opportunity of sticking all your chips in. I understand that the laydown would be tricky with the straight and would therefore probably flat call myself (which I admit..according to my reasoning is a mistake)...I reckon the best thing to do here is fold...but I'd flat call

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Well, my thinking was A10 - K10, or maybe a missed straight draw himself with J9? So, i decided, yep, to chuck em in. What did he do and what did he have?.............

[boldie]

Well, my thinking was A10 - K10, or maybe a missed straight draw himself with J9? So, i decided, yep, to chuck em in. What did he do and what did he have?.............

yes drawing it out for a few days is great but we all posted what we thought he had...so give us it dammit!

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Lol, was trying to build the suspense... but here comes the disappointment anyway....












YOU WILL NEVER KNOW!

He passed to my push!

[boldie]

Lol, was trying to build the suspense... but here comes the disappointment anyway....












YOU WILL NEVER KNOW!

He passed to my push!

wow....didn't see that one coming...cus that also probably means he didn't have K10 A 10...and was chasing something or had a pocket pair and played them very poorly. (IOW he must be a shit player for calling everything upto the river)

[TheGreenOne]

Good push Rookie, at the end of the day he'd of had no reason to have been in the pot with any cards that could make the full house in my opinion (but then again you do see some extraordinary hands at the cash tables), it smelt like he was just calling to bluff and with the second 10 on the board he saw that as his ammunition for trying to push you out the hand.  I'd of played it just as you did...  Nice one 

[Newmanseye]

Its actuallya good move as we all put him on a ten of some sort, now if he was up against aces then the guy with aces has a $160 decision to make, and if you have aces then you may be likely to lay them down in the appearance of the latent aggression upon the second 10's appearance.

I like his bet on the river, he makes a great move on the pot and is unfortunate to walk in to a made straight.

Good push though rookie.

[SupaMonkey]

Yes, he clearly had you on an overpair and was waiting for a scare card of some sort.

[riverdave]

Well related to the games i play in the allin move in this type of scenario is usually suicide if you get called. You haven't even got the nut straight, ok he may of raised the turn with 97 but if he was a little bit tricky why not call behind with the nuts on the turn and try and extract a bigger bet on the river when potentially you could still be bluffing with no hand. I would almost certainly play 97 like that on a rainbow board on the turn. It's 5/10NL by the looks of things so not too many muppets around, the key to whether the bet is right or not is how many times you get called and lose your whole stack to a better hand versus how many times he calls with a worse hand and doubles you up. The times he is bluffing and passes are irrelevant as you win or lose no more. Looking at the action i can think of more hands that are beating you than inferior hands that can call you, IMO flat call is probably the best course of action long term.

What do people think of maybe a mini raise on the end you would surely have to pass if he now went allin but you could get called by a lot more inferior hands for just a double bet?

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Cheers for that Dave, that is why i posted this for replies like that arguing both cases. A mini raise is not an option IMO as he only has approx $250 left once he has fired the $160 bet into me, so for another 90 i will call that too just because of the size of the pot at that time.

[totalise]

dave, you are missing the stack sizes.... villain only has another $230 or so remaining, thats why the jam imo is gonna be ok in this specific spot. If they were sitting on full stacks, the push here would normally be suicide