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« Reply #165 on: September 30, 2006, 02:28:11 PM »

I wasn't trying to drag him into a debate he isn't comfortable being in, my appologies.
Member or not though, APAT are trying to make changes that eventually will effect everyone, members or not, this i think is an important point.

As it happens, I do think the prize structure was too top heavy, but I realise that APAT is in it's infancy, it's a baby.

When a baby takes it's first few faltering steps, you don't give it a push to see if it will fall over. You don't put obstacles in it's way just to trip it up. and you don't criticise it for not walking perfectly straight and upright.

What you do, is praise it for making the effort, applaud what it has achieved, and do your best to encourage it and give it confidence.

Of course, as it grows and becomes stronger, passing through adolescence into adulthood, we may well need to sit it down and give it a good talking to. For the the moment, let's just scoop it up in our arms and give it a cuddle.

I like the analogy.
I have a friend who has a young daughter called Gracie, now Gracie has just started to talk, she says the odd word here and there.
Yesterday my friend asked her for a cuddle and Gracie said "**** off", should my friend encourage her for her ability to pick up words and repeat them or chastise her for using naughty words?
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« Reply #166 on: September 30, 2006, 02:34:45 PM »

I wasn't trying to drag him into a debate he isn't comfortable being in, my appologies.
Member or not though, APAT are trying to make changes that eventually will effect everyone, members or not, this i think is an important point.

As it happens, I do think the prize structure was too top heavy, but I realise that APAT is in it's infancy, it's a baby.

When a baby takes it's first few faltering steps, you don't give it a push to see if it will fall over. You don't put obstacles in it's way just to trip it up. and you don't criticise it for not walking perfectly straight and upright.

What you do, is praise it for making the effort, applaud what it has achieved, and do your best to encourage it and give it confidence.

Of course, as it grows and becomes stronger, passing through adolescence into adulthood, we may well need to sit it down and give it a good talking to. For the the moment, let's just scoop it up in our arms and give it a cuddle.

I like the analogy.
I have a friend who has a young daughter called Gracie, now Gracie has just started to talk, she says the odd word here and there.
Yesterday my friend asked her for a cuddle and Gracie said "**** off", should my friend encourage her for her ability to pick up words and repeat them or chastise her for using naughty words?

Gracie said THAT? I don't think she did......Maybe she's not good with words yet?

Is she a decent kid otherwise?
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« Reply #167 on: September 30, 2006, 02:36:26 PM »

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« Reply #168 on: September 30, 2006, 02:37:37 PM »

I wasn't trying to drag him into a debate he isn't comfortable being in, my appologies.
Member or not though, APAT are trying to make changes that eventually will effect everyone, members or not, this i think is an important point.

As it happens, I do think the prize structure was too top heavy, but I realise that APAT is in it's infancy, it's a baby.

When a baby takes it's first few faltering steps, you don't give it a push to see if it will fall over. You don't put obstacles in it's way just to trip it up. and you don't criticise it for not walking perfectly straight and upright.

What you do, is praise it for making the effort, applaud what it has achieved, and do your best to encourage it and give it confidence.

Of course, as it grows and becomes stronger, passing through adolescence into adulthood, we may well need to sit it down and give it a good talking to. For the the moment, let's just scoop it up in our arms and give it a cuddle.

I like the analogy.
I have a friend who has a young daughter called Gracie, now Gracie has just started to talk, she says the odd word here and there.
Yesterday my friend asked her for a cuddle and Gracie said "**** off", should my friend encourage her for her ability to pick up words and repeat them or chastise her for using naughty words?

I think your friend should stop swearing in front of her 
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« Reply #169 on: September 30, 2006, 02:40:36 PM »

This analogy is getting VERY complex now......!
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« Reply #170 on: September 30, 2006, 02:41:07 PM »

This analogy is getting VERY complex now......!

have you seen a doctor?
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« Reply #171 on: September 30, 2006, 02:49:27 PM »

This analogy is getting VERY complex now......!

have you seen a doctor?
Ok Tikay.. lets take a look shall we....
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« Reply #172 on: September 30, 2006, 03:52:46 PM »

I wasn't trying to drag him into a debate he isn't comfortable being in, my appologies.
Member or not though, APAT are trying to make changes that eventually will effect everyone, members or not, this i think is an important point.

As it happens, I do think the prize structure was too top heavy, but I realise that APAT is in it's infancy, it's a baby.

When a baby takes it's first few faltering steps, you don't give it a push to see if it will fall over. You don't put obstacles in it's way just to trip it up. and you don't criticise it for not walking perfectly straight and upright.

What you do, is praise it for making the effort, applaud what it has achieved, and do your best to encourage it and give it confidence.

Of course, as it grows and becomes stronger, passing through adolescence into adulthood, we may well need to sit it down and give it a good talking to. For the the moment, let's just scoop it up in our arms and give it a cuddle.

I like the analogy.
I have a friend who has a young daughter called Gracie, now Gracie has just started to talk, she says the odd word here and there.
Yesterday my friend asked her for a cuddle and Gracie said "**** off", should my friend encourage her for her ability to pick up words and repeat them or chastise her for using naughty words?

Now, as coincidence would have it, I too have a 2 year old daughter called Gracie, who is stringing all sorts of wonderful words together.  However, with the amount of time I am giving APAT, the words Ian refers to above are much more likely to come from my wife.....



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« Reply #173 on: September 30, 2006, 04:12:20 PM »

I wasn't trying to drag him into a debate he isn't comfortable being in, my appologies.
Member or not though, APAT are trying to make changes that eventually will effect everyone, members or not, this i think is an important point.

As it happens, I do think the prize structure was too top heavy, but I realise that APAT is in it's infancy, it's a baby.

When a baby takes it's first few faltering steps, you don't give it a push to see if it will fall over. You don't put obstacles in it's way just to trip it up. and you don't criticise it for not walking perfectly straight and upright.

What you do, is praise it for making the effort, applaud what it has achieved, and do your best to encourage it and give it confidence.

Of course, as it grows and becomes stronger, passing through adolescence into adulthood, we may well need to sit it down and give it a good talking to. For the the moment, let's just scoop it up in our arms and give it a cuddle.

I like the analogy.
I have a friend who has a young daughter called Gracie, now Gracie has just started to talk, she says the odd word here and there.
Yesterday my friend asked her for a cuddle and Gracie said "**** off", should my friend encourage her for her ability to pick up words and repeat them or chastise her for using naughty words?

You asked MY reasons for not posting to criticise the prize structure, I gave them to you.
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« Reply #174 on: September 30, 2006, 05:33:11 PM »

I wasn't trying to drag him into a debate he isn't comfortable being in, my appologies.
Member or not though, APAT are trying to make changes that eventually will effect everyone, members or not, this i think is an important point.

As it happens, I do think the prize structure was too top heavy, but I realise that APAT is in it's infancy, it's a baby.

When a baby takes it's first few faltering steps, you don't give it a push to see if it will fall over. You don't put obstacles in it's way just to trip it up. and you don't criticise it for not walking perfectly straight and upright.

What you do, is praise it for making the effort, applaud what it has achieved, and do your best to encourage it and give it confidence.

Of course, as it grows and becomes stronger, passing through adolescence into adulthood, we may well need to sit it down and give it a good talking to. For the the moment, let's just scoop it up in our arms and give it a cuddle.

I like the analogy.
I have a friend who has a young daughter called Gracie, now Gracie has just started to talk, she says the odd word here and there.
Yesterday my friend asked her for a cuddle and Gracie said "**** off", should my friend encourage her for her ability to pick up words and repeat them or chastise her for using naughty words?

I think your friend should stop swearing in front of her 

She is blaming it on a friends child, all kids go down that path at some time.
Mine sing along to some of the songs they hear and completely omit the swearing but when they don't think i can hear them they sing those too.
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