Live game etiquette...what would you do?

[TightEnd]

I played in the final Wm hill qualifier last night, the less said about my night the better!

However a situation cropped up on my table.

On it is a twenty something Midlander, brash, cocky, self opinionated. Professes to play a lot on the internet and he says his normal live comps are at lower buy ins but he is stepping up to have a shot at this event, as a treat.

Shouts across to his mates on other tables

One example

"Yes Chris, I've just doubled up, muppet called me with AJ when I had AK" The whole table hears

He gives a running commentary after most hands to most players, whether he is in the hand or not..."I knew you had that" "That was a bad bet" etc etc

Whenever he gets outdrawn, which is amusingly frequently..usually by an unfailingly polite Ali Mallu, he goes off one one..swear words, stands up, arms everywhere, stamping feet

All of the rest of the table are polite and indulge him, not wanting to make a scene

Then he really goes off, a short stacked player limps and he raises on the button and the limper pushes. Limper has Ax, loud man has QQ. An Ace falls on the flop.

Fifteen minutes later our loud man is still addressing the limper about his "bad play". Limper looks embarrassed for a while but then begins to verbally fight back. It's unpleasant, unfriendly all round, horrible atmosphere.


My questions:

Do I as a player at the table but not directly involved in a specific hand with the guy have the right to ask a TD to do something if I feel his beaviour is OTT?

What should a TD do if called upon?

What is and what isn't acceptable with regards to this type of behaviour?

[mikkyT]

I know what id do.. But you would want to be more polite.

Firstly thou the guy may not think or realise he is doing wrong so I think you have a duty to set him straight.

Secondly why the policy of stiff upper lip? If he is annoyin u. Do something about it.

[matt674]

I know what id do.. But you would want to be more polite.

Firstly thou the guy may not think or realise he is doing wrong so I think you have a duty to set him straight.

Secondly why the policy of stiff upper lip? If he is annoyin u. Do something about it.

  otherwise he'll think this kind of behaviour is ok and will continue like this in future tournaments

[boldie]

I played in the final Wm hill qualifier last night, the less said about my night the better!

However a situation cropped up on my table.

On it is a twenty something Midlander, brash, cocky, self opinionated. Professes to play a lot on the internet and he says his normal live comps are at lower buy ins but he is stepping up to have a shot at this event, as a treat.

Shouts across to his mates on other tables

One example

"Yes Chris, I've just doubled up, muppet called me with AJ when I had AK" The whole table hears

He gives a running commentary after most hands to most players, whether he is in the hand or not..."I knew you had that" "That was a bad bet" etc etc

Whenever he gets outdrawn, which is amusingly frequently..usually by an unfailingly polite Ali Mallu, he goes off one one..swear words, stands up, arms everywhere, stamping feet

All of the rest of the table are polite and indulge him, not wanting to make a scene

Then he really goes off, a short stacked player limps and he raises on the button and the limper pushes. Limper has Ax, loud man has QQ. An Ace falls on the flop.

Fifteen minutes later our loud man is still addressing the limper about his "bad play". Limper looks embarrassed for a while but then begins to verbally fight back. It's unpleasant, unfriendly all round, horrible atmosphere.


My questions:

Do I as a player at the table but not directly involved in a specific hand with the guy have the right to ask a TD to do something if I feel his beaviour is OTT?

What should a TD do if called upon?

What is and what isn't acceptable with regards to this type of behaviour?

unfortunatly I have been at many a table like this. The whole being loud standing up and running commentary is out of order already.

Yes I would ask someone to shut him up. The TD is the right person to do this...or even a dealer with a back bone can point out that it is unneccesary and uncalled for and he would therefore respectfully request him to keep it down.
If he doesn't keep it down the TD can ask him to leave and give him his buyin back (I have been in two tourneys where that happened and applauded that desicion every time)

[TightEnd]

I should have said

I am not the stiff upper lip type, I took him aside at the break and explained my concerns.


His reply is not fit for this forum, but I was in essence accused of being a stuffy old git.


After this, what would you have done? (ie he knew what he was doing)

[boldie]

I should have said

I am not the stiff upper lip type, I took him aside at the break and explained my concerns.


His reply is not fit for this forum, but I was in essence accused of being a stuffy old git.


After this, what would you have done? (ie he knew what he was doing)

Like I said...TD can kick him out. I don't mind a bit of tabletalk (like Toni G and the sort) I will not stand for being actually being prats and I think the TD's should do something about it.

[Poppet7]

Even if you're not in the hand you should still ask the TD to deal with the issue because even though you are not in the hand you are still at his table and you're there to play poker, not watch this kid throwing a tantrum every time he gets a bad beat etc.

This happened a few weeks back when I was playing in Ramsgate, the guy was verbally abusive to the young woman and she ended up in tears because of the way he behaved, the manager was called over and he had a word with the idiot causing all the fuss... he was also warned that if it happens again there'll be serious consequences.

This isn't acceptable at all because after all, people are there to play a game of Poker, these idiots should learn that sometime they will get beaten but that doesn't give them the right to call people names, shout, swear, stomp about etc. It's just not on.

[matt674]

If he doesn't keep it down the TD can ask him to leave and give him his buyin back (I have been in two tourneys where that happened and applauded that desicion every time)

Give him his buy in back?!?!?! If he's out of order and wont conform to cardroom ettiquette then he can get sweet fanny adams back and he can be disqualified from the tournament then he has two options next time

1) dont come back

2) come back and behave otherwise he'll be disqualified again

[AndrewT]

Play him at his own game - make witty, pithy comments taking the mickey out of him, wind him up, send him on mega tilt. If his actions start affecting your play, call the TD over.

[Graham C]

Do the dealers not say anything in situations like this?  I appreciate the dealers are there to deal and not get into trouble/fights, but surely they are an extention of the TD and if things get out of hand, should report incidents themselves.  They only need a button under the table so something like that if they want to be discreet about it.

[bolt pp]

Some things are about poker and some things arnt.

This is a mans game thats played in casinos, what he done was irritating, definitely bad etiquette, rude and offensive.

You have to work out when he crosses the line, if its to do with poker then you get the TD SIMPLE AS, if hes calling me a Muppet to his mates or giving it off the table that has nothing to do with poker does it?

then you have to decide what you want to do about it, the TD can only do so much
but i cant see why i would need the TD for someone telling his mates I'm a Muppet.

[kvnstv]

Where would some one get the idea its ok to behave like this?

[dik9]

You shouldn't have to do anything.

The dealer should call the TD and dependant on info given by the dealer and issue penalties from there.
Depending on the severity of each individual case.

If it was a first offence and People didn't seem to bothered by it, then I would have a quiet word in his shell (sort of a verbal pre warning)

If it was clear that he had been disruptive and insulting, a time penalty issued and i would explain etiquette to him/her. If he/she didn't realise they would get another chance, if offender starts and refuses to understand, then the next time penalty would be double, and then disqualification would occur

[dik9]

Entry money would not be returned after disqualification!

[Poppet7]

Some things are about poker and some things arnt.

This is a mans game thats played in casinos, what he done was irritating, definitely bad etiquette, rude and offensive.

You have to work out when he crosses the line, if its to do with poker then you get the TD SIMPLE AS, if hes calling me a Muppet to his mates or giving it off the table that has nothing to do with poker does it?

then you have to decide what you want to do about it, the TD can only do so much
but i cant see why i would need the TD for someone telling his mates I'm a Muppet.

It might not bother you, but to some people this would really upset them, I know if I got called a name at the table I'd feel really hurt and my game would be affected by it.

The guy I mentioned before did the same sort of thing, he was on his phone calling this woman loads of names, saying stuff like "Well she better give me some money when she wins because if it wasn't for her I would've won" and so on.

It's definitely NOT acceptable... why does anyone deserve this sort of abuse?