MTT final table hand

[Bertpup]

This hand is from Party Pokers $6 afternoon rebuy. Found it quite an interesting hand.

The opponent in the hand in question had come to the table as 2nd chip leader he had played quite tight then lost alot of chips. Then he opened up when it got shorthanded. He has been mixing, limping and raising in late position/blinds

Payouts are
1st $1206
2nd $728
3rd $402
4th $324
5th $279
 

#Game No : 5310997149
***** Hand History for Game 5310997149 *****
NL Texas Hold'em  Trny:29606516 Level:20 Blinds-Antes(20000/40000-1000) - Wednesday, October 04, 11:55:39 ET 2006
Table Rebuy(854317) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 4: LSgambler ( $659039 )
Seat 5: Bertpup ( $502486 )
Seat 7: Dandy29 ( $896661 )
Seat 8: WPTpokerprince ( $690678 )
Seat 10: POPOPUMPKIN ( $83136 )
Trny:29606516 Level:20
Blinds-Antes(20000/40000-1000)
Bertpup posts ante [1000].
LSgambler posts ante [1000].
Dandy29 posts ante [1000].
WPTpokerprince posts ante [1000].
POPOPUMPKIN posts ante [1000].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bertpup [ , ]
Dandy29 folds.
WPTpokerprince folds.
POPOPUMPKIN folds.
LSgambler calls [20000].
Bertpup raises [65200].
Lsgambler is all-In  [618039]
Bertpup

What would you do and why please

[SupaMonkey]

Usually i would say that if he wanted to bluff he could have just led at the pot however, there is a fair chance that he knows you can't really call because there is one bloke on 2BB. The problem is he is right.

[WellChief]

I would call, the blinds are very big and after posting your blind and your raise you only have around 6 rounds of the table left.  5-handed this does not leave you much room for maneouver, and you will most likely not get a better chance to double through.    I would imagine the small blind has a large range here, although you will know his range better than me as you've been playing at his table. 

Calling now will give you a great chance of winning, and as the payout is so top heavy you need to take this chance.

[BigTomatoes]

 fold for me , wait for a better spot , even if he has Q 10  u r risking all ur chips on a 50/50 at best imo

 he may be mixing it up and being agressive but hes obviously no muppet to make the last 5

 u have a decent stack and even with the 60k in you still have aroound 500k back so you dont have to gamble with this

 hand , maybe if u had about 300k yes but not yet , plus if the guy with 80k goes out doon youll step up the cash ladder

[kingkev]

I would probably make the call here although i would of preferred to move all-in preflop first as there is already 85k in the pot and I'd be happy to take it down without taking too many chances / be made to make a difficult decision post-flop.

With  you are likely to be ahead of the Sb's range of hands (although it would be different if he had not opened up his game) and  may not get a better chance to double up - plus if you call and win you'll be the chipleader and will be able to apply some pressure on the medium stacks until the shortie busts.

I am not too concerned about scraping a noch up the prize ladder here (look at the $45 diff between 4th n 5th) as most of the money is goes to the top 2.

  WP for getting so deep just remember there is only so far you're gonna go without winning a race.

[TightEnd]

easy, easy fold

I'd take on this probable race 3 handed to take a shot at winning it

5 handed with the 5th player in the dead zone, I'd wait


He knows this, you know this, its simple game theory to push for him and to pass for you

[WellChief]

Tightend, there's no way you can say this is an easy, easy fold??  Why be concerned with a short-stack when the next prize jump is so small.   I'm not sure how the hand history's work here, but it looks like from his 502,000 stack he has posted the blind then raised 60,000 more, leaving himself only 400K.   As I said before this is only 6 rounds of the table, only about 10 hands before he has to start pushing with marginal hands.  9 9 is a premium at this stage in my opinion, especially given the small blinds range, and if you think he is applying simple game theory to get you to pass its an even easier call!

[daviebhoy]

Tightend, there's no way you can say this is an easy, easy fold??  Why be concerned with a short-stack when the next prize jump is so small.   I'm not sure how the hand history's work here, but it looks like from his 502,000 stack he has posted the blind then raised 60,000 more, leaving himself only 400K.   As I said before this is only 6 rounds of the table, only about 10 hands before he has to start pushing with marginal hands.  9 9 is a premium at this stage in my opinion, especially given the small blinds range, and if you think he is applying simple game theory to get you to pass its an even easier call!

I agree with this. I would like to ask what range of hands you call here with if you cannot call with 99 ?

dn

[Bertpup]

thanks for the replies so far guys will post the results in a bit

[SupaMonkey]

I would probably make the call here although i would of preferred to move all-in preflop first as there is already 85k in the pot and I'd be happy to take it down without taking too many chances / be made to make a difficult decision post-flop.

I agree with this. Preflop you are either allin or checking to see a flop.

With  you are likely to be ahead of the Sb's range of hands (although it would be different if he had not opened up his game) and  may not get a better chance to double up.

I disgaree with this. Imo he is either bluffing (because you have induced it) or you are small fav/large underdog. Why didn't raise preflop the first time around. Surely you would expect Ax to raise straight away.

[WellChief]

I would expect the same sort of play with smaller pocket pairs, as well as hands like A10-AK.  Could also be a straightforward resteal.  ie Any two cards.  As I said previously only Bertup would have an idea of the true range of hands as he has played at the table. 

A straight all in is a bit drastic surely at this stage? 

[SupaMonkey]

An allin is only a raise of 11bb.

I agree with you about the smaller pairs but I don't think it is good play to call all your chips off in this spot. Can we ask dale or totalise to have a look at this. They're usually pretty good at giving a conclusive answer.

[Bertpup]

Right there is a bit of a twist for you in terms of the hand. I switched the names around because i thought and i believe i have got more information about how i played the hand and what it looked like etc.

#Game No : 5310997149
***** Hand History for Game 5310997149 *****
NL Texas Hold'em  Trny:29606516 Level:20 Blinds-Antes(20000/40000-1000) - Wednesday, October 04, 11:55:39 ET 2006
Table Rebuy(854317) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 4: Bertpup ( $659039 )
Seat 5: LSgambler ( $502486 )
Seat 7: Dandy29 ( $896661 )
Seat 8: WPTpokerprince ( $690678 )
Seat 10: POPOPUMPKIN ( $83136 )
Trny:29606516 Level:20
Blinds-Antes(20000/40000-1000)
Bertpup posts ante [1000].
LSgambler posts ante [1000].
Dandy29 posts ante [1000].
WPTpokerprince posts ante [1000].
POPOPUMPKIN posts ante [1000].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bertpup [   ]
Dandy29 folds.
WPTpokerprince folds.
POPOPUMPKIN folds.
Bertpup calls [20000].
LSgambler raises [65200].
Bertpup is all-In  , , ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
LSgambler shows [ , ] a pair of nines.
Bertpup shows [ , ] a pair of threes.
Bertpup wins 156553 chips from  side pot #1  with a pair of threes.
LSgambler wins 1007972 chips from  the main pot  with a pair of nines.
Game #5311000000 starts.

He gave me an agonising wait aswell before making the call and i thought i had got him to fold.

In regards to the end result im not really that bothered about although a million chips would have been nice. I think my biggest problem was that i play alot of turbo Sit and gos and when 5 people are left thats the time i accumulate most chips. Im still torn whether i played it correctly. If he had folded i would given a little jigg and if i had hit my ace i would have screamed the house down.

My logic into not raising initial is if i raised and then reraised all in (he had pushed all in a couple of times in the previous 10-15 hands or so). So i played it dependind on action to make him play for all of his chips rather than me have to call for practically all of mine.

In the end i finished 4th which i would have taken at the start.

thanks for all the input aswell interesting hearing others opinions

[Bertpup]

I also think it would have worked alot better had the jump been $4500 rather than $45

he also went on to win

[WellChief]

An allin is only a raise of 11bb.

I agree with you about the smaller pairs but I don't think it is good play to call all your chips off in this spot. Can we ask dale or totalise to have a look at this. They're usually pretty good at giving a conclusive answer.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.      Bert - Your play is fine if you thought there was a good chance the guy was on a steal, but I wouldn't normally make this play with a rag ace, as hands that call you will have you dominated.