Opinions - What do you think of this ruling?

[M3boy]

Last night at Luton (The Grand Prix qualifier)

A guy announces "Raise" from early position, puts in his "call" bet, and while counting his chips for the raise, 4 people fold behind him.

He is then told that HIS hand is dead as more than 3 people have folded after him BEFORE he has made his raise.

Seems a bit harsh - specially in a self dealt tourney.

In the end, the decision was overturned after 20 minutes of arguing.

What do you think?

[MrMojoRisin]

I think that is stupid! He has no control over what other people do.

[TightEnd]

It's a bad ruling, and I only need one guess as to who made it!

[Bongo]

Didn't tikay mention this rule before?

Seems ridiculous to me!

[TightEnd]

The rule is in force at Grosvenors, but NOT if the guy has verbally declared his intention


If he says nothing and three people pass out of turn behind him, his hand is dead, at Grosvenor Luton anyway.

[Sheriff Fatman]

What a garbage rule!

If the guy was taking the mickey by dwelling for a ridiculous amount of time while 'pondering' his raise then maybe that's different, but as a general rule its complete crap.

What's the justification for it, Tighty?  Any ideas?

Sheriff

[TightEnd]

the person making the ruling here has applied the actual rule incorrectly


If you have yet to act and 3 people fold behind you your hand is dead

If you have declared what you are going to do and, especially in a self deal game where it is prone to happen, 3 people fold behind you your hand is NOT dead


As to justifying the actual rule, beats me!

[Royal Flush]

There was a big debate about the rule a while ago Paul, tikay started it.

[M3boy]

Yeah, I thought so James, couldnt be sure though without searching - and I'm lazy! lol

[Royal Flush]

Yeah, I thought so James, couldnt be sure though without searching - and I'm lazy! lol

Thats why i didnt post a link to it aswell, lol.

Seems an odd rule though.

[tikay]

Correct - this was the Rule - and, more importantly - the INTERPRETATION of the Rule - I referred to after the last Luton Fessie. Brian Sadler's son bet several folks that this rule DID exist, & he scooped of all of us!

I Posted it on here, & to my astonishment, several folks felt the Rule was reasonable, as I recall.
 
Just goes to show, different strokes for different folks.

One lives in hope of unified Rules.

[mikkyT]

Last night at Luton (The Grand Prix qualifier)

A guy announces "Raise" from early position, puts in his "call" bet, and while counting his chips for the raise, 4 people fold behind him.

He is then told that HIS hand is dead as more than 3 people have folded after him BEFORE he has made his raise.

Seems a bit harsh - specially in a self dealt tourney.

In the end, the decision was overturned after 20 minutes of arguing.

What do you think?

This rule, if a rule at all in this case is a complete BOS (bag of sh..e) I know we had a discussion on a similar subject a while back and whilst some people said the rule was correct, I don't think it applies in this particular case although I don't recall the circumstances around the rule when tikay posted it.

In this case, the guy clearly announces raise and is counting out his chips for the raise amount. The three other players have done something akin to having the "fold" button ticked online. However, the person has not completed his move yet (hes still counting) so these players are in effect folding out of turn. Wasn't the rule stating that if you cause more than two people to fold out of turn your hand is dead?

I think common sense prevails here. Otherwise its open to abuse by three or more people.

[doubleup]

The rule is in force at Grosvenors, but NOT if the guy has verbally declared his intention


If he says nothing and three people pass out of turn behind him, his hand is dead, at Grosvenor Luton anyway.

That is an understandable rule and is probably fairly universal.  As I have said before the majority of the personnel running British poker have no idea of the intent behind a rule and the result is the nonsense recounted by the original poster.

[londonpokergirl]

Absolutely awful rule.  The guy has stated raise, and the person who is raising and doing it  correct is being pulled up for it, because of other people's bad poker etiquette

Surely the dealer should have said something aswell instead of letting this happen!!

Needs changing asap

[mikkyT]

Although the folding is out of turn effectively, the players doing the folding (unless they know of the way the dealer will apply this very rule) are simply speeding up the game whilst he raises.

Obviosuly a misapplication of said rule and Im glad it did get overturned.