It looked like a good spot for a squeeze play to me...

[TightEnd]

final table 6 get paid, Mikky can't call 22k more without a monster with sharky behind and sharky would re-raise with a hand that can call 22,000 more right? 17,000 chips up for grabs then...


MTT Table 1 12104160-225 Holdem No Limit 1,200/2,400
 
Seat 1 : --bluffer has $13,902.34
Seat 2 : stone-CLM has $29,890
Seat 3 : Graham0573 has $34,696
Seat 4 : mikkyTBPL has $67,800
Seat 5 : uk-shark has $29,387.96
Seat 6 : Natrykris has $29,086
Seat 7 : Fat Sheriff has $29,490.34
Seat 8 : ~~Delboy~~ has $41,747.36
~~Delboy~~ is the dealer.

--bluffer posted small blind.
 stone-CLM posted big blind.

 Seat 6 : Natrykris has


mikkyTBPL called 2,400 and raised 4,800
uk shark calls 7,200
Natrykris called 7,200 and raised 21,886 and is All-in
Fat Sheriff folded.
~~Delboy~~ folded.
--bluffer folded.
stone-CLM folded.
mikkyTBPL folded.
uk-shark called 21,886

 Seat 6 : Natrykris has
 Seat 5 : uk-shark has As

[Oct 12 22:12:09] : Board cards [ ]
[Oct 12 22:12:09] : Seat 6 : Natrykris has
[Oct 12 22:12:09] : Natrykris has Pair:
[Oct 12 22:12:09] : Seat 5 : uk-shark has As
[Oct 12 22:12:09] : uk-shark has Pair:
[Oct 12 22:12:09] : uk-shark wins 68,972 with Pair: (King kicker)


Thats an odd thing to do with AK 12x bb left isn't it? flat call for 7k leaving 15k behind? 


Or am I just a pillock?

[Wardonkey]

He obviously thought that someone might try a squeeze play behind him...

[Rooky9]

I think its difficult to fully appreciate the stiuation from written information.... but the question for the caller is will there be a better spot? Imo there will be lots of encourging scenarios for him to call this.... I like the move, but in live games where the caller has more pressure

[TightEnd]

He obviously thought that someone might try a squeeze play behind him...

 


fair enough. 

[Royal Flush]

Just exited a comp in similar fashion m8, making the squeeze with AJ running into a flat called AK shorthanded, nothing wrong with it.

[KeithyB]

But what good is singing Cool For Cats here Tighty? Oh not that sort of squeeze play then? 

Ok I might be totally missing the point here but it looks like you're questioning how Shark played the hand?
Well I'd have played it exactly the same way as Shark did really and I'll try and explain my thought process behind this. Remember I'm just a simple lad though!!  >:?

I look down and see AK....hmmm very nice. But yikes..... that aggressive chip leader Mikky has raised it up, grrrrr!  I bet I'm ahead here though but I don't really want to go all-in here though in case he calls and outdraws me. Then I'll be out of tourny 

But I can't lay down AK obviously so lets call, see a flop and push if I hit on it.  I'll still have nearly 10 big blinds left if even I have to get away from the hand.

What's this? Natrykis all in? Wow...didn't really foresee or expect that...now what do I do?  What is a squeeze play anyway? 

Ok...if Mikky calls the all-in then I'll fold. This still leaves me with the aforementioned near 10 BB and also the possibility of one less player.

Hey.... Mikky's folded, so now it's only 22k to call and a pot of 69k if I should win. Nice odds and also the chance to take a player out in the process.  AK is good enough for me here....I'm pushing my chippies in!!   

Now I'm not saying my way of playing is the best, or correct, way but it is how I'd have played it.

[TightEnd]

the call is obvious once I have pushed


No complaints, but I wondered how many are seeing AK there with a flat call of a raise, blinds big and stacks relatively shallow

[Royal Flush]

But what good is singing Cool For Cats here Tighty? Oh not that sort of squeeze play then? 

Ok I might be totally missing the point here but it looks like you're questioning how Shark played the hand?
Well I'd have played it exactly the same way as Shark did really and I'll try and explain my thought process behind this. Remember I'm just a simple lad though!!  >:?

I look down and see AK....hmmm very nice. But yikes..... that aggressive chip leader Mikky has raised it up, grrrrr!  I bet I'm ahead here though but I don't really want to go all-in here though in case he calls and outdraws me. Then I'll be out of tourny 

But I can't lay down AK obviously so lets call, see a flop and push if I hit on it.  I'll still have nearly 10 big blinds left if even I have to get away from the hand.

What's this? Natrykis all in? Wow...didn't really foresee or expect that...now what do I do?  What is a squeeze play anyway? 

Ok...if Mikky calls the all-in then I'll fold. This still leaves me with the aforementioned near 10 BB and also the possibility of one less player.

Hey.... Mikky's folded, so now it's only 22k to call and a pot of 69k if I should win. Nice odds and also the chance to take a player out in the process.  AK is good enough for me here....I'm pushing my chippies in!!   

Now I'm not saying my way of playing is the best, or correct, way but it is how I'd have played it.

My head hurts.

[JungleCat03]

Here's an alternative way of looking at the hand Keithy.

I look down and see AK....hmmm very nice.


I've got 12 big blinds. This is an excellent hand to boost my rapid dwindling stack enormously. Hallelujah!

But yikes..... that aggressive chip leader Mikky has raised it up, grrrrr!

Wow excellent. The most aggressive player at the table has raised it up. I don't actually need a hand as strong as AK to play back at him. However that's what I've got. Ok i pick up over 10k if i take this down preflop. This adds 33% to my stack with no call. Seeing as Mikky is aggressive and most likely stealing without a blockbuster hand this is the most likely scenario and I'm happy to take this! 

Another aspect of raising here is that I want to isolate the hand, not really encourage someone behind with a small pocket pair or some other hand like JQs to pull a squeeze play when i could have got them to fold preflop with a reraise.




I bet I'm ahead here though but I don't really want to go all-in here though in case he calls and outdraws me. Then I'll be out of tourny 

Hmm, well I'll take a fold but if i get called and I'm ahead, ie dominating him, that's not so bad. I get to double up as close to a 70% favourite, even getting a 3.6k overlay from the blinds sweetening the deal. Cool! I might get outdrawn of course. That's poker.

I can always write "u muffed me u >)))))*>" in the chat box.

Can I flat call. Hmm welll in some cases it might be prudent to flat call with AK. Here though, I'm underutilising the folding equity I can get preflop and the stack sizes are perfect for a push. Additionally, pushing ensures I get to see all five cards(if he even calls), which AK really benefits from.

There's also the small fringe benefit that if mikky passes, he might think twice before his next steal raise as he knows i'm not afraid to go to the felt.

So it's agreed, we're pushing right?

But I can't lay down AK obviously so lets call, see a flop and push if I hit on it.

Oops misclicked and pressed call. Stupid internet..... swapping tables....... wrong fricking time GODDAMN IT I'M GOING ALLIN...no im not no im not.

Ok, so I called. Well I'm in a bit of a pickle. I'll have a ton of issues to deal with on the flop as the pot size will be about 18k and ill have about 21k left in my stack.
Let's imagine it comes J 5 4, mikky bets 5k on the flop. Pass, call, raise? What if it comes 256 and mikky checks. What if it comes QT and he checks, what if he bets this flop? There are a lot of tricky scenarios where I'll be too shallow to play this hand down the streets so will be forced to fold or raise, most likely raising my stack, as a bluff/ semi bluff.

Man i wish I pushed preflop!

Wait tightend pushed! WOW thanks man. You saved me a whole heap of problems. I LOOOVE YOU.

My head hurts.

[KeithyB]

Now my head hurts as well! 

Seriously Jungle thanks for that explanation 

I currently have a mental block that whenever I go all-in vs chipleader, he/she will always call and always win no matter what they hold. Fact!!!!  A slight flaw in my game possibly! 


Ok then taking Wardonkey's post, how realistic is it to think that maybe AK flat calls, with fingers crossed, actually hoping that someone behind him senses weakness and pushes?  Surely knowing Mikky will then likely fold this gives great chance of better than double up from the AK.

[TightEnd]

Ok then taking Wardonkey's post, how realistic is it to think that maybe AK flat calls, with fingers crossed, actually hoping that someone behind him senses weakness and pushes?  Surely knowing Mikky will then likely fold this gives great chance of better than double up from the AK.

possibly, only the man himself could tell you

I was just struggling for a while afterwards with the AK flatcall. The main power of AK in the late stages is obviously pre-flop and is a re-raising hand....if you push you get to see all five cards, you don't have the problems of a tricky decision if you miss the flop. Here sharky would have added a 3rd to his stack just by taking it pre-flop rather than leaving himself with 7x bb if no one pushed behind him and he had to lay it down on a raggy flop and a Mikky bet.

However, he fooled me so wp gg gl etc

[matt674]

Now my head hurts as well! 

Seriously Jungle thanks for that explanation 

I currently have a mental block that whenever I go all-in vs chipleader, he/she will always call and always win no matter what they hold. Fact!!!!  A slight flaw in my game possibly! 

slightly off track from the original question but this is taken from a post i made on a thread called "torni" by smithy69 over in the internet section about 11 months ago - seeing your post here reminded me of it.

"Lets say you are cruisin along in a tourney, and you are about 30th out of 40 left in a tourney, and you are seriously looking to double up.

You get AK, go all in, and are called by AQ. Woohoo, you win. You now have 40k chips and are sitting on an average stack.

Next hand, AK again. Sweet!!! There is a raise up front, and you decide to take it down with an all in bet. But wait, your opponent, who has you covered, calls you with... AJ? What a horrible call, right? Yes, it is, and he pays for it when a K flops and you take down the pot. Unreal!!! from 20k to 80k in 2 hands. Sweet!

Next hand, youre in the SB, and you get, holy moly, AK, again... it folds around to you, and you face the BB, who happens to be the chipleader of the tourney at a whopping 175k chips. He has been steamrolling everyone and has a huge lead over the field. What do you do? You know he could bust you if you let him catch anything on the flop, so you dont really want to mess with him... you cant fold AK though, so you push it all in hoping he folds...he thinks, thinks, thinks, and calls...with AQ!!!! He (or course!!!) spikes a Q and you are taking a walk thinking about what an awful beat you took and how this always happens to you.... i mean, THIS IS TOTAL RUBBISH RIGHT? I ALWAYS GET SCREWED.....

WRONG. you are thinking about it in the wrong way.... You were all in 3 times with a 70% chance to win everytime. All you have to do is lose 1 out of 3 to be out of the tournament. Lets let the god of statistics speak to us now:

Winning 3 of 3 ---> .7x.7x.7 = .343

Thats right, only 34% of the time you are still in this tourney after that string of hands, and yet somehow people still think that they "got screwed by pokerstars/willhill/ladbrokes"... How reasonable is it to think that? Answer: Not Very.

The simple fact of the matter is that being all in is a risky proposition, and risk is what you want to avoid in tournaments until you absolutely have to face it. This is why racing early in a tournament is just plain foolish, and yet bad players do it constantly.

Whenever you are all in and not holding the absolute nuts with no cards to come, there is a chance you can get eliminated. Add up those small chances to get eliminated over the course of the tourney and it proves that it is very likely you will be eliminated somwhere."

[ifm]

I think i've said before that i judge how well my tourny has gone by how many times i have been allin, it should always be a last resort or if you have someone beaten and think they will call.

I see a couple of things i don't like for you here Tighty, a flat call in early position, a weak holding for you and (most importantly) 5 people left to act that have you outchipped.

Squeeze play aside this for me is not the place for this move, especially as you are in little danger at the moment.

[TightEnd]

I see a couple of things i don't like for you here Tighty, a flat call in early position, a weak holding for you and (most importantly) 5 people left to act that have you outchipped.

Its a raise in EP then a flat call, but yes your comments are good thanks

[GlasgowBandit]

its certainly a peculiar play with AK.  Personally at this stage of the tourney I am putting in a chunky raise to get others off. 

Although there will be players who will call off their stack with AJ suited!  Whats the most he is going to get out of you here Tighty?

I am worried with AK that if I flat call and miss the spanner flop then I need to lay it down to a bet.  I'd rather get my chips in first and give the players acting behind me something to think about.