poker mentors

[SupaMonkey]

I've heard that cardrunners is good for cash games.

[Royal Flush]

Why don't you just play and actually THINK about the game as you play, rather than just playing on autopilot.

Forget spending money on all this other tripe, or paying someone to watch you play (if they were worth the money they would be busy playing themselves) just think about the game.

[Acidmouse]

Whenever I talk to the locals about poker at the casino all the rattle on about it bad beats. It's really boring and dull. I should open a booth up and charge them £5 a pop to listen to it.

Best thing I have found to help my game was watching and listening to ActionJacks video's, funny and very informative.

[SupaMonkey]

Why don't you just play and actually THINK about the game as you play, rather than just playing on autopilot.

Forget spending money on all this other tripe, or paying someone to watch you play (if they were worth the money they would be busy playing themselves) just think about the game.

It's not that simple for some of us (i.e. me).

[boldie]

Whenever I talk to the locals about poker at the casino all the rattle on about it bad beats. It's really boring and dull. I should open a booth up and charge them £5 a pop to listen to it.

Best thing I have found to help my game was watching and listening to ActionJacks video's, funny and very informative.

that's the problem...as I said poker players complain too much. If you can find a pokerplayer with whom you can have a discussion like footiefans can have with eachother then you're in!and Lord knows they are out there...

[SupaMonkey]

Why don't you just play and actually THINK about the game as you play, rather than just playing on autopilot.

Forget spending money on all this other tripe, or paying someone to watch you play (if they were worth the money they would be busy playing themselves) just think about the game.

It's not that simple for some of us (i.e. me).

This wasn't supposed to sound arsey, more of a knee jerk reaction, sry. The thing is that you don't know what you don't know, so you need to read/ get advice/ watch others etc. to help you out.

[Royal Flush]

Why don't you just play and actually THINK about the game as you play, rather than just playing on autopilot.

Forget spending money on all this other tripe, or paying someone to watch you play (if they were worth the money they would be busy playing themselves) just think about the game.

It's not that simple for some of us (i.e. me).

I don't mean to sound an ass, but if you can't think about the game as you play and work out what is going on then you will find it very hard to progress at the game, even if you do spend shed loads of cash on a mentor.

It's not that hard to train yourself to spot these things, my suggestion would be to find someone who is playing a tournament that you know, and watch the game in progress, the key here is not just to watch though, write down details on every pot, see if you can put players on exact hands, work out the optimal ways to play hands. Then after all that ask the person for their HH file (well do that before hand) and go through the hands and see how well you did (best to do it on a site that shows mucked hands in the HH.

It's much better than spending money on this stuff.

[Royal Flush]

I don't mean to sound condescending but here is another way of looking at it.

Imagine that these mentors are the equivelant as calculus teachers. Well they may be excellent and help your game a lot, however they are bugger all use unless you know how to do basic calculations.

I am not saying anyone here is bad or anything, just some people need to work more on the basics before they go for the tricky stuff.

[SupaMonkey]

Ok fair point but i have been playing for a little over 2 years and i am reading my 13th (i think) book and it is still teaching me new things. Unless i'm tired/hungover etc. i do think about things as i play, but until someone points certain things out to you, you aren't even aware they are there.

What about the young players who have had famous coaches, Noah Boeken (sp?) for example. I don't think they would have got where they are by just watching other people play./ reading books etc.

[Royal Flush]

What about the young players who have had famous coaches, Noah Boeken (sp?) for example. I don't think they would have got where they are by just watching other people play./ reading books etc.

He was already an excellent player and very smart, that is the time to be mentored.

Reading books etc is a good way to learn, it is never as good as figuring stuff out for yourself, that gives you a deeper understanding. This is why the only book i recommend for tournaments is Sklansky as he doesn't tell you how many BB to raise with AA etc, he teaches you to think.

[SupaMonkey]

That's a good point, the problem with sklansky is that you have to remember to stay awake.

[Royal Flush]

That's a good point, the problem with sklansky is that you have to remember to stay awake.

LOL yes, he isn't the softest read in the world!