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« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2006, 04:44:57 AM »

the way this muppet was playing he could have had any 2 cards last thing i put him on was aces , he had already stacked someone with 6 3 off suit calling a raise and a re-raise anyway rant ova
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« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2006, 04:47:32 AM »

dont talk to me about f****in nl cash im neva playing again, neva played a $1/2 game online so i sit down with $100 build it up to just under $300, i raise to $6 with ak flop is ace 7 6 rainbow. i bet the pot villan calls , next card 2, i bet the pot agin he goes all in i call he has 77 and rivers a 7!!!!

2 hands later im on the button with kk 4 limpers i rasie to £10 the villian from previous hand raises to $40 , i call flop comes 7 9 4 . he cheaks i bet the pot he goes all in i call he has aces!!!!


When did this become a bad beat thread
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« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2006, 04:48:30 AM »

sorry mate just wanted a rant sorry for the hijack
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« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2006, 04:53:07 AM »


dont talk to me about f****in nl cash im neva playing again, neva played a $1/2 game online so i sit down with $100 build it up to just under $300, i raise to $6 with ak flop is ace 7 6 rainbow. i bet the pot villan calls , next card 2, i bet the pot agin he goes all in i call he has 77 and rivers a 7!!!!


He didn't really need the river if he had a set on the flop.

So not a bad beat Billy
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« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2006, 04:56:53 AM »

wasnt a 7 on the flop tank he rivered a 7 , cant remember exactly what the flop was but there wasnt a 7 he rivered it
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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2006, 04:57:47 AM »


dont talk to me about f****in nl cash im neva playing again, neva played a $1/2 game online so i sit down with $100 build it up to just under $300, i raise to $6 with ak flop is ace 7 6 rainbow. i bet the pot villan calls , next card 2, i bet the pot agin he goes all in i call he has 77 and rivers a 7!!!!


He didn't really need the river if he had a set on the flop.

So not a bad beat Billy

Truth be told I just saw the smileys and read the first line, from that I deduced it was a bad beat, a bad read by me. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2006, 06:45:14 AM »

If im in position and 1 limp or less to me, I will raise. If some 1 limps and im on the button, i will raise almost any 2 and just use position to make it a profitable play psot flop, but thats a differnt story.

With small pairs, im happy to raise if im first in the pot and/or in position. If there has been 2-3 limps ill probably limp behind. In the higher stakes games, a semi-decent player is going to know u have a big hand if u limp preflop then all of a sudden want to play a big pot after the flop, you have nothing invested in the pot so techinally wouldnt be getting busy without a bog hand.
I like to raise in order to build a pot, this works best in position as you can win the pot when your opponent doesnt hit. Once you have built a pot preflop then hit your set, its a lot easier to get paid off for the maximum value.

I play exclusively 6 handed cash games so this may not work in 9-10 man tables where limping is a lot more acceptable
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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2006, 09:34:13 AM »

The level you play at makes a big difference to playing small pairs also.

at $1/$2 or below i think limping is always best as it when you hit the set the players are more likely to get stacked.

Your play must be more creative above this so mixing in some raises from late position when there are no limpers trying to use the value of your hand as it stands to make a few dollars is understandable.

The most important info is 'Small pairs play best in a multiway pot' so if it looks like thats what is going to happen then just limp along.
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« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2006, 09:36:12 AM »

I had settled on min raising all PPs up to J's (more above) simply because every limper will call and those that were limping behind will still call, this is designed purely to build the pot a bit if you do hit and doesn't hurt too much when i miss.
Though i rarely play cash these days.
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« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2006, 09:49:25 AM »

The level you play at makes a big difference to playing small pairs also.

at $1/$2 or below i think limping is always best as it when you hit the set the players are more likely to get stacked.

Your play must be more creative above this so mixing in some raises from late position when there are no limpers trying to use the value of your hand as it stands to make a few dollars is understandable.

The most important info is 'Small pairs play best in a multiway pot' so if it looks like thats what is going to happen then just limp along.

I agree. At lower levels limping is more common and you won't be put on a pock pair - and won't be put on a set if you hit. Hence, you can often clean up. At higher levels I reckon this play becomes a but more obvious and you have to mix it up more.
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« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2006, 10:10:06 AM »

2 situations here for 3/6nlhe games

1. UTG raiser has $600 so do you, there are no other callers you are in late position with any pair of 55's or below, what size raise do you call?
2. Same as above but the raiser only has $200 this time?
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« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2006, 11:24:17 AM »

1, no more than 5%.     2,no more than 10% of his stack,I wouldnt want him pot committed with a continuation bet on the flop then maybe a raise double his bet depending on the texture of the flop, if he checks the turn it a bet for all he has left regardless of whether I have the set. there are lots of things that must be happening to play this way ,no ace ,eyes running up and down the flop to name 2.     Its the usual thing IT ALL DEPENDS are you playing someone who is known to be creative or a rock and are the blinds likely to get tricky even a blind squirrel finds the odd acorn if the big blind makes a big raise you dont really want to be there.    Hey woodsey is there a definative right answer if so I would love to know.
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« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2006, 11:28:42 AM »

The level you play at makes a big difference to playing small pairs also.

at $1/$2 or below i think limping is always best as it when you hit the set the players are more likely to get stacked.

Your play must be more creative above this so mixing in some raises from late position when there are no limpers trying to use the value of your hand as it stands to make a few dollars is understandable.

The most important info is 'Small pairs play best in a multiway pot' so if it looks like thats what is going to happen then just limp along.

I agree. At lower levels limping is more common and you won't be put on a pock pair - and won't be put on a set if you hit. Hence, you can often clean up. At higher levels I reckon this play becomes a but more obvious and you have to mix it up more.

I play at the $1/$2 level, and I try and vary my play with small pocket pairs.  Even the most unobservant players will notice if I only limp with a pair, but raise with AK, AQ or a high pair.  Sometimes you can line up a big pot with a raise from early position with a low pair, and then I can win a lot if I hit my set and they have a big pocket pair or if they hit their pair on the flop with AK or AQ, etc.  They may also think I'm making a standard continuation bet if there are no high cards on the board and not give my bets the respect they deserve.

Of course, I'm not going to be hitting my set that often, so the raise will increase my variance, but it also enables me to come out betting occasionally if I miss and take the pott anyway.

I think (will have to check) that small pockets are responsible for a lot of the money I make in these cash games.
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« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2006, 11:42:30 AM »

I dont think its a good idea to call 5% of stacks with small pairs against good players, if you are just playing it for set value. You are just going to spew chips waiting for sets and when you finally hit one they wont be giving you much action anyways a good % of the time. Against some players that I know have Aces/kings and cant possibly fold it postflop, then anywhere up to around 9/10% of the stack is acceptable, against lags I'd prolly re-raise preflop (which you should be doing some of the time with any two cards as well) or play it postflop not specifically for set value. Its real easy money when you are playing at a table full of people "waiting for hands" to beat you, becase you just raise with most combos.. steal a lot of smallish pots per hour and then shut down if you get action.

Kinbo makes a good point about limping with pp's and raising with big hands being exploitable.. but its ok to be exploitable if people aren't good enough to exploit it, thats why limping along at the lower levels is going to reap a pretty huge reward, but the higher you go its not going to make you a lot of money (generally)






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« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2006, 12:53:21 PM »

dont talk to me about f****in nl cash im neva playing again, neva played a $1/2 game online so i sit down with $100 build it up to just under $300, i raise to $6 with ak flop is ace 7 6 rainbow. i bet the pot villan calls , next card 2, i bet the pot agin he goes all in i call he has 77 and rivers a 7!!!!

2 hands later im on the button with kk 4 limpers i rasie to £10 the villian from previous hand raises to $40 , i call flop comes 7 9 4 . he cheaks i bet the pot he goes all in i call he has aces!!!!


When did this become a bad beat thread


hardly bad beat lol what i can see is that the guy that won was in front the whole way in both hands.

the guy was in front 77 v ak in the first example. he then flops a set the river 7 is irrelevant.
then the 2nd is the old favourite overpair versus bigger overpair.

 nasty but they happen but not what i would discribe as bad beat
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