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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2006, 01:26:50 PM »

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By the river, I'd put out a blocking bet in his position

what would you do after pushbot has jammed the river.. insta-call?

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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2006, 01:29:46 PM »

probably, but it wouldn't have been much of a blocking bet would it?

essentially he's got himself into a right pickle by the river...check and he's very tempted to call any bet, bet and he doesn't want to fold to the push

the brave move is check fold
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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2006, 01:52:41 PM »

Um I'll make a pot size reraise here preflop coz i'm a hyper aggressive maniac then push all in on flop. If he moves in it is a fold for me. 

Any chance to take the pot down out of position I'll take. Um if i do flat call I'm gonna lead out for around the size of the pot something like 125 and slow down if there is much resistance. A smooth call and i'm almost certainly done with it.

If he moves in i mean what are you beating??

I might also fold preflop if he is a total rock!!

I doubt I make it past the flop. I don't like AK in cash games out of position as it is a very tricky hand to play. But yeah I think I 4 bet here about 50% of the time, Call 40%  and fold 10%.
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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2006, 03:53:24 PM »

Are you going to give us your thoughts totalise?
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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2006, 05:11:31 PM »

if I knew I was going to be interrogated on it like this I would have folded pre flop  Cheesy
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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2006, 08:40:18 PM »

Are you going to give us your thoughts totalise?

oh yes, I forgot about this.


here is how the story ended:

----- RIVER ----- [ ][]
Pimpin004: bets US$75
PUSHBOT: raises to US$328 and is all-in
Pimpin004: calls US$253
----- SHOW DOWN -----
PUSHBOT: shows [ ] (A Pair of Fours, Ace high)
Pimpin004: shows [ As] (A Pair of Aces, King high)
Pimpin004 collects US$990 from Main pot

I'll come back to the thread tomorrow and explain why I made the thread and logic behind it, I was cajoled into bowling with my next door neighbours daughter and friends today, so I gotta watch some darts to get back to normality!




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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2006, 09:02:57 PM »

Very good hand history Totalise,

If i'm pimpin, i call 80% of the time. 20% i pass against rocks.

I think this Pushbot guy gives it away in his name! Not a terrible jam on the river, but certainly one i wouldn't be making as it definately looks like you have air.

I think Pimpin has made a great river bet, $75 into 300 is quality, just screams to be raised, so once he does that he really shouldn't be passing to an all in.

I think Pimpin has also played the hand very well and is pretty sure where he is in the hand on every street. I dont like Pushbots play at all from the flop onwards.
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2006, 10:10:51 PM »

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but certainly one i wouldn't be making as it definately looks like you have air.

yup for sure, this is almost always how I play sets in spots like this, so I gues sometimes I need to have air to balance it all out. Its great to see people stacking off with AK so often given this line, it sells such great weakness... and a really good % of the time I have him pizzowned. This time unfortunately i was weak, but thats the way it goes. If he had a weak ace, he probably would have folded to the push, which would be crazy because AK is worth about as much as a rag-ace in this spot, because a good player is (almost) never pushing a single ace, but will push with set/2pr/bluffs. Thats something that should be taken from the thread. Relative hand strength vs an opponents range. Dont just say to yourself "well, if he has X hand he beats me"... ask yourself "well, if he has X hand, would he really play the river in this manner?". It makes river decisions a lot simpler.


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I think Pimpin has made a great river bet, $75 into 300 is quality, just screams to be raised, so once he does that he really shouldn't be passing to an all in.

yes his river play is fantastic, and its pretty much the point of the post. a real high % of the time people have AJ/A10 or other weak hands and fold to the push, I dont think you should ever be betting this amount and folding to a jam, but people do it all too often, thats why I pushed. It shows a pretty good profit, but sometimes you look like a moran when you get called. Blocking bets are pretty awful plays because they are just so exploitable. If you know how to exploit blocking bets like this guy did, then its a much more profitable river play. Also somewhere earlier in the thread I tried to explain why in my opinion pushing the river is so bad...his bet is perfect if he intends to call a push. If he intends to fold to a push, its terrible.

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I think Pimpin has also played the hand very well and is pretty sure where he is in the hand on every street. I dont like Pushbots play at all from the flop onwards.

Yes, in isolation it does look pretty bad, the upside of this is that someone at the table came looking for me after the hand, and sat down to play HU.. and he sure regretted that move an hour or so later. I thought he had a weak ace or was trying a weak value-bet with a Q and would fold to a push. c'est la vie. I certainly dont regret the play, I think against a standard player given that river line, they are folding to a push a high % of the time. If he had checked I would have checked behind (because their flop call and river check is usually indicative of someone who is keeping the pot small OOP and is defo going to showdown) , and if he had bet more (basically displaying the fact that he is calling any push)  I would have folded. Thats something else that should be worked into your game, river play isn't linear... it is based on their actions.. all too often people give up in spots where alternative actions would reap a much better return (most of the time!)


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