APAT UK Amateur Poker Championship

[tikay]

Tikay, with respect,you're being rather dissmissive of Acidmouse and his "1st dibs"....its just FAIR that when its oversubscribed. that members who missed out first time have a better chance than those you went to the first tour.

...and surely its easierly done by asking/telling those who went to the first one that they are welcome to apply after Saturday.

...and with respect to you, Sir, I try not to be dismissive of anyone who is a Member or potential Member of APAT. I am being honest, polite & civil, & doing my best to answer a lot of questions, rather than dodge the difficult ones.

I am afraid life is not always "fair", & we all know that. We are doing our best to accommodate everyone, as fairly as we can. Whatever way we do it, some will say "that's not fair".  They are probably right, too. That's not "dismissive", that's the way life is.

[tikay]

For what its worth, here is my view ...

I have NOT joined APAT because I want to see how parting with some money (however nominal the amount) will benefit me as an individual.

I would love to play the comps and the thought process and direction that APAT is trying to go down appeals to me greatly. However until I know that i can play in an event that i choose to without all the hassle that you have to go through to get a spot in the comp at the moment, my subscription will stay in my account.

I will however join in the future when I am happy and comfortable with the selection process for getting a spot in a comp.

I supose what I am really trying to say is that I am taking the easy route and letting all the niggling teething problems get ironed out before i join up.

That way I dont get angry or frustrated at the issues at the moment

The other point I'd make Kev is that Annual Subs are £5 or 10. In return, there are 7 Live Events, at least 4 of which will be in mainland UK, and those 4 Events have over $35k of added value in tourneys that only cost £75 to enter. OK, you may not get into all of them, possibly even any of them, but at £5 or £10, it's not the worst value "bet" in the world!

[Graham C]

You also get access to the online events which have a nice structure.

[tikay]

Tikay, with respect,you're being rather dissmissive of Acidmouse and his "1st dibs"....its just FAIR that when its oversubscribed. that members who missed out first time have a better chance than those you went to the first tour.

...and surely its easierly done by asking/telling those who went to the first one that they are welcome to apply after Saturday.

...and with respect to you, Sir, I try not to be dismissive of anyone who is a Member or potential Member of APAT. I am being honest, polite & civil, & doing my best to answer a lot of questions, rather than dodge the difficult ones.

I am afraid life is not always "fair", & we all know that. We are doing our best to accommodate everyone, as fairly as we can. Whatever way we do it, some will say "that's not fair".  They are probably right, too. That's not "dismissive", that's the way life is.

I just re-read my original reply to Acidmouse - this was the one where I compared it with, hypothetically, Pension Rights. That's not being dismissive, thats keeping it in perspective. In my opinion.......

[Karabiner]

I can't help but notice that Kev has lost his stripes and been reduced to the ranks.

The mind truly boggles at the possible reasons for this 

[tikay]

Here are consecutive Posts from Page 4 of this thread.....

"....Set a time on Saturday,and state that those who entered the first tour aren't allowed to apply until Monday at a set time.

I'm sure the vast majority would be happy with that....."

Followed by.....

"....Wooaaaa....lets all play fair....it should be open to all. A time is set and its first come first served.......Wasnt that the initial intention form the first live event. The apat will always struggle to please all, however i think the majority are satisfied, im sure this will be another sell out and exceptional event, i hope to make it if the wife allows!...."

As you can see, we have opposite views that in both cases think "the majority" would be happy.....!

So fire away, by all means, but please understand, it's not easy to please everyone.

[tikay]

I can't help but notice that Kev has lost his stripes and been reduced to the ranks.

The mind truly boggles at the possible reasons for this 

"Lost his stripes"? News to me!

See....

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=16428.0

One's mind may boggle no more.

[Colchester Kev]

For what its worth, here is my view ...

I have NOT joined APAT because I want to see how parting with some money (however nominal the amount) will benefit me as an individual.

I would love to play the comps and the thought process and direction that APAT is trying to go down appeals to me greatly. However until I know that i can play in an event that i choose to without all the hassle that you have to go through to get a spot in the comp at the moment, my subscription will stay in my account.

I will however join in the future when I am happy and comfortable with the selection process for getting a spot in a comp.

I supose what I am really trying to say is that I am taking the easy route and letting all the niggling teething problems get ironed out before i join up.

That way I dont get angry or frustrated at the issues at the moment

The other point I'd make Kev is that Annual Subs are £5 or 10. In return, there are 7 Live Events, at least 4 of which will be in mainland UK, and those 4 Events have over $35k of added value in tourneys that only cost £75 to enter. OK, you may not get into all of them, possibly even any of them, but at £5 or £10, it's not the worst value "bet" in the world!

Yes, I know the membership fee represents good value, But I can join up when an event is announced that I know for CERTAIN i will get a seat for, I can play online events anywhere at any price ..... So why should I join up now just to have a random chance of getting a seat ?

[tikay]

I have to say that I am very dissapointed with this proposal of a 'non-disclosed' sale time... whilst I was not a big fan of the ballot (especially after I missed out in the draw), at least I was in with an equal chance of getting a seat.

This decision is in order not to "disadvantage members who do not have high speed broadband internet access"... how about not disadvataging members who may indeed be true amatuers and have jobs and simply can't be in front of their PC all day.

However, I am heartened by Des's comment, "If you really fancy it, I'm sure you will get a seat at this event."... I REALLY FANCY IT... so I'm sure to get a seat... although I'm not sure how this will work as I have no intention of sitting glued to my PC all day!! 

I think you either have to pick a time when most  people will be able to be at thier PC, perhaps 6.00 am, or go back to a ballot!!

(I really can't believe I'm proposing a ballot  )

We WILL disclose the sale time "window" before Saturday. There are technical reasons why we have yet to be able to do so.

[Karabiner]

Okay but in his previous post on here his title was a humble "hero member" like most of us hoi palloi

[JDforce]

WHAT EVER WILL BE WILL BE

[TightEnd]

For what its worth, here is my view ...

I have NOT joined APAT because I want to see how parting with some money (however nominal the amount) will benefit me as an individual.

I would love to play the comps and the thought process and direction that APAT is trying to go down appeals to me greatly. However until I know that i can play in an event that i choose to without all the hassle that you have to go through to get a spot in the comp at the moment, my subscription will stay in my account.

I will however join in the future when I am happy and comfortable with the selection process for getting a spot in a comp.

I supose what I am really trying to say is that I am taking the easy route and letting all the niggling teething problems get ironed out before i join up.

That way I dont get angry or frustrated at the issues at the moment

The other point I'd make Kev is that Annual Subs are £5 or 10. In return, there are 7 Live Events, at least 4 of which will be in mainland UK, and those 4 Events have over $35k of added value in tourneys that only cost £75 to enter. OK, you may not get into all of them, possibly even any of them, but at £5 or £10, it's not the worst value "bet" in the world!

Yes, I know the membership fee represents good value, But I can join up when an event is announced that I know for CERTAIN i will get a seat for, I can play online events anywhere at any price ..... So why should I join up now just to have a random chance of getting a seat ?

Event 1 was random/ballot/draw

This event is first come first served, and therefore not random.

We had many many requests not to do a "seats go on sale at one time" clickfest too

So we'll set a window, and those that are able can buy a seat by registering when the link opens.

Not random!

[Colchester Kev]

Okay but in his previous post on here his title was a humble "hero member" like most of us hoi palloi

Was that bloke in the spam pm's a "hero member" ?

[Suited_Jock]

Here are consecutive Posts from Page 4 of this thread.....

"....Set a time on Saturday,and state that those who entered the first tour aren't allowed to apply until Monday at a set time.

I'm sure the vast majority would be happy with that....."

Followed by.....

"....Wooaaaa....lets all play fair....it should be open to all. A time is set and its first come first served.......Wasnt that the initial intention form the first live event. The apat will always struggle to please all, however i think the majority are satisfied, im sure this will be another sell out and exceptional event, i hope to make it if the wife allows!...."

As you can see, we have opposite views that in both cases think "the majority" would be happy.....!

So fire away, by all means, but please understand, it's not easy to please everyone.

Well OK how about everyone who made the ranking points in the last live event are guaranteed a seat?

 

[ripple11]

No life isn't fair....and you're right, its just a game of Poker!.....but if I was lucky enough to go to the first event, I would welcome members who missed out to have "1st dibs". this time.