APAT UK Amateur Poker Championship

[tikay]

I like the suggestions these threads spring up. If it wasn't for people who ask questions about why things happen the payout structure for example may have remained the same and fewer problems wouldl be resolved/discussed.

I know people making suggestions/complaining is a pain in the ass for the APAT team but thats why Blonde is so good, you aint ever gonna get away with hiding the real issues or brushing stuff under the table (Not for one second saying that APAT have done this, but its more a general statement).

The idea of online qualifiers for a "set aside 10 seats" at every live event sounds a wicked suggestion. Almost like a 2nd chance for those who didn't get lucky and secure there seat from the original ballot/click feast/random lotto.

Yes - it caught my eye too!

And yes, I love the blonde ethos where we can chew the cud on these things, long may it last. I get a little exasparated when folks get over-excited, as a few did last night, but it takes all sorts I guess, & tolerance is a wonderful thing.

[Suited_Jock]

If you have a great web programming team get a WAP page up... thus elminating the need to be at a PC most of the phones nowadays have WAP/GPRS

[turny]

I like the suggestions these threads spring up. If it wasn't for people who ask questions about why things happen the payout structure for example may have remained the same and fewer problems wouldl be resolved/discussed.

I know people making suggestions/complaining is a pain in the ass for the APAT team but thats why Blonde is so good, you aint ever gonna get away with hiding the real issues or brushing stuff under the table (Not for one second saying that APAT have done this, but its more a general statement).

The idea of online qualifiers for a "set aside 10 seats" at every live event sounds a wicked suggestion. Almost like a 2nd chance for those who didn't get lucky and secure there seat from the original ballot/click feast/random lotto.

Yes - it caught my eye too!

And yes, I love the blonde ethos where we can chew the cud on these things, long may it last. I get a little exasparated when folks get over-excited, as a few did last night, but it takes all sorts I guess, & tolerance is a wonderful thing.

and one of the worse for "over excitement" last nite was your very own director des!
i put this down to the extraordinary stress arranging this event has caused him

[tikay]

I still say there IS a simple solution for these problems, which will only get worse as more and more people join. My solution would be this :

For each APAT event (200 max capacity), have REGIONAL qualifiers (worked out so that all have a chance of attending) So it would work like this :

10 Regional qualifiers of 100 people in each, with the top 20 "qualifying" for the APAT event.

Problem solved.

I appreciate this would need alot more organisation, but would stop all the problems with the "current lottery process" of being selected to play APAT events.

Your thoughts??

Yes Paul, everyone thinks it's simple, but it's not, & everyone has a solution - a different one!

This is Event Two of Season One. Those are my thoughts. We are taking on board as much advice as we can, but as I noted earlier (but I notice nobody replied!) we have diamatretically opposing views in consecutive Posts.

I have run a number of extremely successful businesses in my time, & "early days" are always the challenging part. We are early days in APAT, & not lacking advice from every quarter. We'll get there.

[Karabiner]

Okay but in his previous post on here his title was a humble "hero member" like most of us hoi palloi

I'm not quite sure what the question or problem is here. Can you assist, please?

Just a bit of banter with Kev Tony, I'm sure IFM will be along shortly......

[Suited_Jock]

Heres an idea that will please everyone. Speak to cadburys and put 210 gold tickets in a chocolate bar wrapper distribute them around the country and invite the ticket holders to a fun day out in newcastle. Only one of us will win however and not only will we have won we have learned various different morales along the way.

[tikay]

I like the suggestions these threads spring up. If it wasn't for people who ask questions about why things happen the payout structure for example may have remained the same and fewer problems wouldl be resolved/discussed.

I know people making suggestions/complaining is a pain in the ass for the APAT team but thats why Blonde is so good, you aint ever gonna get away with hiding the real issues or brushing stuff under the table (Not for one second saying that APAT have done this, but its more a general statement).

The idea of online qualifiers for a "set aside 10 seats" at every live event sounds a wicked suggestion. Almost like a 2nd chance for those who didn't get lucky and secure there seat from the original ballot/click feast/random lotto.

Yes - it caught my eye too!

And yes, I love the blonde ethos where we can chew the cud on these things, long may it last. I get a little exasparated when folks get over-excited, as a few did last night, but it takes all sorts I guess, & tolerance is a wonderful thing.

and one of the worse for "over excitement" last nite was your very own director des!
i put this down to the extraordinary stress arranging this event has caused him

Correct, & quite possibly.

He knows that, we've chatted about it. Hence Tighty & me are front line today. Des has worked his socks off & no sooner had he announced than he got knocked about, but in his defence, he was the provoked, not the provoker. Two Posters made 8 Posts in less than 15 minutes on the same subject, before he'd had chance to draw breath!

Let's move on, eh? I am dealing with this MY way now, I'm the Chairman, & I'm answering every single question, with Tighty's much appreciated help.

[matt674]

Yes, The Limpet will be there 

GO 'TEAM CHORLTON'!!!!

team chorlton:- a subsidiary linked collective of "team primate"

[Sheriff Fatman]

We had many many requests not to do a "seats go on sale at one time" clickfest too

So we'll set a window, and those that are able can buy a seat by registering when the link opens.

The reason stated for doing this is so that dial-up users aren't disadvantaged.  However, I'm puzzled as to how this is achieved.  Surely, if its a case of the website going live, then broadband users will still get the info more quickly so the only thing that is achieved is that people are inconvenienced for a longer period during the 'window' (dial up users will be connected via the phone line too, thus potentially running up phone bills).

Consequently, the system developed doesn't actually solve the problem it is trying to avoid.  People trying to sign up will be inconvenienced for a longer period than if they were for a single sale time and, by delaying the announcement as to when the time/window is, they are also being given less opportunity to make plans to be available.

The underlying assumption made to justify this was that 'we'll all be sat at our PCs playing poker anyway' but that simply isn't the case for the 'typical recreational player' that APAT is aimed at.  Consequently, the people who will most likely benefit from this are the semi-pro type players who can and will be available for however long it takes to register on Saturday.  Those with jobs, hobbies, family commitments, etc will potentially be the ones who lose out because, apparently, 'they don't want it enough'.

I, like many others, missed out on the first event and didn't kick up a big fuss about it.  Chances are, under the system for event two I will miss out again unless I get lucky with the 'window of opportunity'.  That is not the reason why I raised the issue yesterday.  The fact is that the 'system' developed doesn't, as far as I can see it, solve the problem it is trying to avoid but, in an effort to please those who have requested a 'clickfest' be avoided, it inconveniences a bigger proportion of the membership in a way that could have been avoided.

Sheriff

[tikay]

Heres an idea that will please everyone. Speak to cadburys and put 210 gold tickets in a chocolate bar wrapper distribute them around the country and invite the ticket holders to a fun day out in newcastle. Only one of us will win however and not only will we have won we have learned various different morales along the way.

Ahh, but some folks don't like Chocolate, so that'd be unfair, see?.......

[Suited_Jock]

Heres an idea that will please everyone. Speak to cadburys and put 210 gold tickets in a chocolate bar wrapper distribute them around the country and invite the ticket holders to a fun day out in newcastle. Only one of us will win however and not only will we have won we have learned various different morales along the way.

Ahh, but some folks don't like Chocolate, so that'd be unfair, see?.......

surely then they could purchase them off ebay?

[tikay]

Heres an idea that will please everyone. Speak to cadburys and put 210 gold tickets in a chocolate bar wrapper distribute them around the country and invite the ticket holders to a fun day out in newcastle. Only one of us will win however and not only will we have won we have learned various different morales along the way.

Ahh, but some folks don't like Chocolate, so that'd be unfair, see?.......

surely then they could purchase them off ebay?

Well, the thing is, not everyone has access to a computer, see? That's unfair, too.....

[Suited_Jock]

but then theres the freepost address on the back of the chocolate bar that you can write to to be entered into the draw meaning you do not have to purchase the said item.

[Suited_Jock]

this is getting silly ... tell me ive won and we'll stop.

[tikay]

We had many many requests not to do a "seats go on sale at one time" clickfest too

So we'll set a window, and those that are able can buy a seat by registering when the link opens.

The reason stated for doing this is so that dial-up users aren't disadvantaged.  However, I'm puzzled as to how this is achieved.  Surely, if its a case of the website going live, then broadband users will still get the info more quickly so the only thing that is achieved is that people are inconvenienced for a longer period during the 'window' (dial up users will be connected via the phone line too, thus potentially running up phone bills).

Consequently, the system developed doesn't actually solve the problem it is trying to avoid.  People trying to sign up will be inconvenienced for a longer period than if they were for a single sale time and, by delaying the announcement as to when the time/window is, they are also being given less opportunity to make plans to be available.

The underlying assumption made to justify this was that 'we'll all be sat at our PCs playing poker anyway' but that simply isn't the case for the 'typical recreational player' that APAT is aimed at.  Consequently, the people who will most likely benefit from this are the semi-pro type players who can and will be available for however long it takes to register on Saturday.  Those with jobs, hobbies, family commitments, etc will potentially be the ones who lose out because, apparently, 'they don't want it enough'.

I, like many others, missed out on the first event and didn't kick up a big fuss about it.  Chances are, under the system for event two I will miss out again unless I get lucky with the 'window of opportunity'.  That is not the reason why I raised the issue yesterday.  The fact is that the 'system' developed doesn't, as far as I can see it, solve the problem it is trying to avoid but, in an effort to please those who have requested a 'clickfest' be avoided, it inconveniences a bigger proportion of the membership in a way that could have been avoided.

Sheriff

Sheriff, it's Event Two, Season One. Like John Duthie in EPT's Season One, we are learning, & adjusting, & finding problems we had not expected, & dealing with them. That's all we can do. Suggestions are coming in thick & fast, but had you not noticed? - the suggestions are frequently of completely opposite views!

A little patience & a little tolerance will get us all there in one piece. We will, no doubt, lose a few along the way.