AK with an early limp reraise all in.

[byronkincaid]

Game #3875445764: Hold'em NL (100/200) - 2006/11/04 - 16:29:03 (ET)
Table "AWF $4000 Added 3787333 - 6" Seat 8 is the button.
Seat 1: 2baldbaz (2925 in chips)
Seat 2: Paolo1903 (7786 in chips)
Seat 3: Brisco001 (4110 in chips)
Seat 4: stevecorn (2500 in chips)
Seat 5: Gossamer (955 in chips)
Seat 6: Fishface7 (2440 in chips)
Seat 7: Joem001 (2283 in chips)
Seat 8: paravion (3885 in chips)
Seat 10: 91raver (4850 in chips)
91raver: posts big blind 200
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to 91raver [Ah ]
2baldbaz: folds
Paolo1903: calls 200
Brisco001: folds
stevecorn: folds
Gossamer: calls 200
Fishface7: folds
Joem001: calls 200
paravion: folds
91raver: raises to 1000
Paolo1903: raises to 7786 and is all-in
Gossamer: is all-in 755
Joem001: folds
91raver:

I fold this in a cash game a lot of the time but the stacks would be deeper, my tourney game is very rusty now. I used to call these in a split second but you see AA here a lot right? I have been taking no notice so have no reads.

[SupaMonkey]

Personally i call.

That paolo bloke's got a lot of chips though, he must be a good player

[Dewi_cool]

Never call for all your chips in this situation, your calling an all in with A high, wait for a better spot

[byronkincaid]

That paolo bloke's got a lot of chips though, he must be a good player

Is that you then?

I folded, paolo had AK but shorty won with TT. I ended up coming 2nd

[The_Diamond]

Never call for all your chips in this situation, your calling an all in with A high, wait for a better spot

Is this a joke?

[byronkincaid]

Why do you think it's a joke? He says "in this situation" he's not talking about if you have 5 BBs left.

[The_Diamond]

Why do you think it's a joke? He says "in this situation" he's not talking about if you have 5 BBs left.

Well I dunno, you don't always have to have sarcasm tags on your posts to be making a funny.

I just don't understand the logic behind folding AK here just because its "Ace high". Calling with Tens here would probably be a lot worse.

I think this is bad fold. You have over 20% of your stack in the middle and the villain will almost never play Aces or Kings this way. I call here with no regrets expecting to be up against an underpair and occasionally a muppet with AJ/AQ/KQ. The only way you can justify a fold here is if Gossamer has more chips.

[byronkincaid]

villain will almost never play Aces or Kings this way

i disagree

[totalise]

I dont think its a bad fold, but it isn't a clear fold. You do have a good % of money already in the pot, and the main pot is inconseqential to the side pot, and sure, they sometimes do play AA/KK this way, but they play undepairs/AK/AQ/AJ and bluffs the same way as well...especially given the fact that you have raised out the BB into a field full of limpers.

I think Harrington has a term for this play

Incidentally I just read a few of Diamonds posts, and they have all been really good, keep posting please

[The_Diamond]

villain will almost never play Aces or Kings this way

i disagree

It's not typical of the way Aces and Kings are played online. Limp raising is usally AK or a middle pair trying to snap up a pot early because they don't want to play their hand OOP on the flop. Usually it will be 77-JJ. Aces and Kings are usully played with mini raises or standard raises. The limp raise all in is usally reserved for hands that want to take the pot down without a showdown. Also you're holding an Ace and King so the times you're up against those two hands are hardly worth worrying about.

           equity (%)     win (%)   tie (%)
Hero:   37.1778 %     33.17%    04.01%      { AKo }
Paulo1903:   33.7022 %     30.44%    03.26%      { 77+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }
Gossamer:   29.1201 %     27.63%    01.50%      { 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

[SupaMonkey]

That paolo bloke's got a lot of chips though, he must be a good player

Is that you then?

I folded, paolo had AK but shorty won with TT. I ended up coming 2nd

Lol, no i thought you were playing with pab (he is paolo on stars).

[temp0r]

to be fair the raise to 1000 makes it look as though you'd be willing to throw it away to an all-in re-raise from the guy. you'd be better off making the overbet to nearer half your stack, knowing you wouldn't be going anywhere he might not have bothered pushing you out. but either way you made a good strategic tournament fold in this situation.

[The_Diamond]

Quick Question. At point does it become strategically correct/incorrect to fold/commit with AK in this spot?

[boldie]

to be fair the raise to 1000 makes it look as though you'd be willing to throw it away to an all-in re-raise from the guy. you'd be better off making the overbet to nearer half your stack, knowing you wouldn't be going anywhere he might not have bothered pushing you out. but either way you made a good strategic tournament fold in this situation.

I agree with the fold being a good tournament choice here especially with now 2 players all in (true one of them will give you a big side pot). I personally don't like the over raise for half your stack here. the 1k bet shows more strenght at this stage of a tourney and your stack size IMO as it looks like you're not trying to scare everyone out of the pot.

[tantrum]

Quick Question. At point does it become strategically correct/incorrect to fold/commit with AK in this spot?

Do you mean facing re-raise all in and another caller so the action is to you and you have to decide to call or fold?