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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2005, 05:13:39 PM » |
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From a neutral point of view When the manager starts to change his best formation to accomadate certain individuals it is a recipe for disaster. England have a lot of very good players but no balance. Managers or coaches are paid a hell of a lot of money to make hard decisions, some are just not able to do this effectively & it ends up costing them their job. Having said that England should still go through but once you get there try & not get ahead of yourselves & start thinking your gonna win it  |
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2005, 05:15:02 PM » |
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Owen not World Class? He's England's 4th highest goal scorer ever and he's 25. He's scored more than in Shearer's entire career for England at 25. He's averaged a goal every 2 games since he was 18. He'll easily be England's all time top scorer and to say he isn't world class is a joke. It's about goals and he scores. Simple.
Lamps vs Gerrard? Give me a break. Lamps had a great season last year at the age of 26 but had fairly average seasons every year before that. Ok they were quite good but not amazing. Gerrard had been outstanding since 20 years old and wins games by himself. No contest.
Bar Roberto Carlos there is no better left back anywhere than Ashley Cole. I had a bet on him years ago to be England's highest capped player ever and I'm on course to win.
If Ashley Cole and Steven Gerrard are not world class why do Chelsea want them?
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2005, 05:18:53 PM » |
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Well this took a while to get going, but we got there in the end  I think all the six I mentioned are world class, no doubt The issue is how do you get a side with the right balance to play in the right system In this I am far from convinced that the manager will make the tough decisions necessary I was delighted for Scotland last night. Walter Smith must be an excellent manager, something I never really recognised when he was at Rangers/Everton Similarly Sanchez is doing a great job, given what he has to choose from Is it too much to ask the powers that be to get it right next time for the England manager |
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2005, 05:44:22 PM » |
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owen cannot be world class if he was only the 5th best striker at real madrid or how many world class strikers are out there i would say to be truely world class you have to be in top 5 or 6 in world
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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2005, 06:00:11 PM » |
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owen cannot be world class if he was only the 5th best striker at real madrid or how many world class strikers are out there i would say to be truely world class you have to be in top 5 or 6 in world
Yes but look who he was behind: Raul - Highest scorer in Champs League history. Ronaldo - Still probably no1 anywhere. Robinho - Future Brazilian no1 Julio Paptista - Brazilian ace and 2nd top scorer in La Liga last season. Not a bad list. Now remember that Owen scored 14 goals in 25(ish) starts at the club. World class? I think so. Was he given a chance? No. And why not? Probably because he cant do flicks over his head like the Brazilians. He'll score as many though, easily! |
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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2005, 06:13:53 PM » |
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i think owen is a class striker and a great goal scorer but cant see how anyone that is 5th choice of a club side can be truely world class that being said kenny miller is IMHO truely world class  |
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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2005, 06:18:10 PM » |
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I was just amazed to see some villa players on a winning team for once.
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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2005, 06:22:02 PM » |
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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2005, 06:24:26 PM » |
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i think owen is a class striker and a great goal scorer but cant see how anyone that is 5th choice of a club side can be truely world class that being said kenny miller is IMHO truely world class Agreed. (not about Kenny Miller!) However I also forgot to add that I think Owen is better than Baptista and Robinho (at least for now as Robinho is young) and 5th choice is ridiculous. Don't forget Luxemburgo (Madrid) is a Brazilian manager also. If Owen is actually 5th choice anywhere without bias then the world has gone mad. Also on that note the previous Madrid manager tried to play Owen over Raul and it didn't happen. Raul, Guti (then Vice captain) and Robby Carlos told the manager if Raul wasn't playing they'd be going on strike. (Raul is seen very much like Gerrard at Liverpool only a million times more loved) Owen didn't play in the end. So I wouldn't read too much into how the present (Brazilian) manager favoured him behind four others. (3 of whom are Brazilian and one who is club hero!) |
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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2005, 06:26:32 PM » |
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owen cannot be world class if he was only the 5th best striker at real madrid or how many world class strikers are out there i would say to be truely world class you have to be in top 5 or 6 in world
Exactly. If he was French people on this forum wouldnt rate him, Just because they are English is why most of these players are so highly rated. |
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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2005, 06:32:42 PM » |
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2005, 06:34:46 PM » |
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now if kenny miller was english he would be rated 10x higher than rooney or owen
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2005, 06:40:03 PM » |
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now if kenny miller was english he would be rated 10x higher than rooney or owen
If he'd scored 1 every 2 games his whole life in the best leagues in the world, then I wouldn't care where he was from he'd be world class. |
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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2005, 06:40:31 PM » |
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now if kenny miller was english he would be rated 10x higher than rooney or owen
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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2005, 06:42:43 PM » |
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listen we have won a game 2006 WC its ours now (if you listened to the media)
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