Interesting hand from Amsterdam

[The Baron]

Before reading Kieth's 2nd post my thought was to play this aggressively for a few reasons:

I don't want to play the rest of the hand out of position after I make a pretty obvious check call.

I don't want to call off 4k in chips only to be reraised behind.

I have absolutely no idea what he has and hitting the flush may cost me most of my stack.

If I want to play this hand I really want it heads up. Playing vs two people will most likely mean my draw is worthless.

On reflection I would go with tikay's suggestion on just passing to the 4k bet. I think check-calling is the worst move.

[SupaMonkey]

I agree with Pab.

[tikay]

I agree with Pab.

!!

[totalise]

would everyone check here in this spot?

I'd check here about 0 times out of 100! Much prefer the bet/3-bet allin line then the c/r given this stack/position

[Newmanseye]

would everyone check here in this spot?

I'd check here about 0 times out of 100! Much prefer the bet/3-bet allin line then the c/r given this stack/position

Lemme check, you would bet out, check the raise the turn, and if not already, push on the river?

[SupaMonkey]

I agree with Pab.

!!

Pab was reading the thread when i posted that, i thought he was going to post. So much for trying to be clever, eh.




Totalise/Baron, what hands reraise you here if you call.

Also, the raiser doesn't necessarily need to have something here, everyone has demonstrated weakness. He knows you know that, probably saw your reraise as a draw (i.e. resteal with outs) and thought he was miles ahead.

I think his move would have worked if you had only made it 16k or so Keith. Was he quick to go allin.

[totalise]

would everyone check here in this spot?

I'd check here about 0 times out of 100! Much prefer the bet/3-bet allin line then the c/r given this stack/position

Lemme check, you would bet out, check the raise the turn, and if not already, push on the river?

maybe, I'd be hoping that someone would put in a raise "to see where they are at" or other such drivel, and then you can put the hammer down and stack off... something like, lead for 3k, they raise to 12k/15k with 35k behind, you slam it in, maybe they fold, maybe they dont. You aren't gonna be in terrible shape either way.

If someone just calls it gets tricky, which is the downside to leading, but if it does get called, then you are seeing the turn for the same price as if you had check/called, it sniffs out the potential snakes in the grass, given your relative position against the field,  and it gives you leeway to keep firing if you "smell weakness" or you can sneak in a sexy check/raise on the turn to (hopefully) end it. Or you can check fold.

Thats what goes through my head when I have reasonable draws with 50bb effective stacks in tournies, it may or may not be sensible.

[Newmanseye]

its kind of similar to Mike the mouth's three bullets but with a nifty checkraise.

[The Camel]

would everyone check here in this spot?

I'd check here about 0 times out of 100! Much prefer the bet/3-bet allin line then the c/r given this stack/position

Lemme check, you would bet out, check the raise the turn, and if not already, push on the river?

maybe, I'd be hoping that someone would put in a raise "to see where they are at" or other such drivel, and then you can put the hammer down and stack off... something like, lead for 3k, they raise to 12k/15k with 35k behind, you slam it in, maybe they fold, maybe they dont. You aren't gonna be in terrible shape either way.

If someone just calls it gets tricky, which is the downside to leading, but if it does get called, then you are seeing the turn for the same price as if you had check/called, it sniffs out the potential snakes in the grass, given your relative position against the field,  and it gives you leeway to keep firing if you "smell weakness" or you can sneak in a sexy check/raise on the turn to (hopefully) end it. Or you can check fold.

Thats what goes through my head when I have reasonable draws with 50bb effective stacks in tournies, it may or may not be sensible.

I did briefly consider leading out. By my image at the table was so strong at this time, I doubt anyone would raise me without the real goods. And then the move in option would lead to a call and I may well be drawing thin.

If I got action, it would almost certainly be call(s) and if a blank arrives on the turn, what do I do then?

The check raise means I may win a nice pot on the flop.