Rereraised on the river...what do you do here?

[ifm]

Alarm bells would be kicking off all around me with his reraise here, if he'd gone allin i'd instacall, ironic really.
Anyway i'd still call.

[totalise]

Rabs range is pretty much any pair preflop, he attacks limping more then pretty much any player I ever played against.

The interesting thing for me is why is his re-re-raise on the river so small, and why isn't he betting the flop. Experience tells me that if he has JJJ, hes betting the flop most of the time, and if he isn't betting the flop, hes almost certainly rasinig more on the river. As someone already said, Keiths hand looks pretty strong, why would Rab make almost a min-reraise if he had JJJ? I'd REALLY expect Rab to be making a bigger raise if he did have top set.

He defo doesn't have the straight. Its a tricky spot. Kinda rambling here, I'd be a little surprised if he flipped up JJJ here because of flop/river action, but I donno if he calls a RErerererereerererererererererraise enough with lesser hands to make pushing here correct. Prob not. Its a closer decision then people are giving credit for though. Because its a tourney, I'd call.

For those people thinking he has an overpair, do you really really think he is giving this river action with just AA/KK? Id be surprised if Rab would ever have an overpair in this spot

[boldie]

I call.  I don't like pushing given your rating of him.

This is such a small raise that he's sucking you in with the nuts or he's representing that to you.  It means you're either dead in the water or he knows you're capable of laying this down based on that exact read.  Given that you're a well known 'top' player aswell, that's a very plausible option so you have to call here.

I think its 50:50 whether you're beat or not so I don't commit the rest of my chips by pushing.

Sheriff

I'd agree with that..no way this is a push for me...against most players yes..but not a top player

[boldie]

Can I ask something though?..Why can he not have the straight? I play my sooted connectors (even 35) prettymuch the same way if I have this large a stack.

[matt674]

Its Rabscuttle - i'm all in, if he has JJ (or 3-5) then c'est la vie........

[SuffolkPunch]

the suspense is killing me - what did he have?

[doubleup]

I've thought about this overnight - not very practical as Stars are unlikely to introduce an "overnight" option on their time button.

I still can't work it out.

He put in a big early position raise so in the absence of any other info he should have a reasonable hand. 

Does he normally continue in heads-up situations like this?

He could check the flop with AK and bet the turn, but surely he makes a bigger bet on the river, if he is bluffing.

I'm sure an overpair just calls the river reraise.

Although his final bet shows strength i.e. it's a value bet - there is a slight note of caution in it - this might be because he has JJ and is very slightly worried about the str8 or he has 66 and is very slightly worried about a bigger set or the str8.

I think it's either 66 or JJ and I don't think 66 calls an all-in, so I'm calling.

[matt674]

remember the hand between Phil Ivey and Paul Jackson with all the small raises and reraises - i think this is a similar senario where two of the sites top tourney players are clashing both knowing exactly the level that the other plays at.

except this time Camel actually has a hand.........

[The_Diamond]

remember the hand between Phil Ivey and Paul Jackson with all the small raises and reraises - i think this is a similar senario where two of the sites top tourney players are clashing both knowing exactly the level that the other plays at.

except this time Camel actually has a hand.........

How are these two situations similar at all?

Ivey and Jackson's action was on the flop on a paired board. This hand is on the river with no pair on the board and only one unlikely way of making a straight.

[matt674]

I was referring more to the fact that they were playing each other rather than playing the cards.

Rab knows that Camel is a good player and visa versa, both play to such a high level that they know how each others thought processes work. If Rab knows that Camel can lay down a hand then instead of making a big rereraise on the river (where like IFM says he probably instacalls a big all in) by only betting a small amount and sewing a seed of doubt within the Camels mind Rab may think this is the only way he can bluff Camel out of the pot.

[boldie]

I was referring more to the fact that they were playing each other rather than playing the cards.

Rab knows that Camel is a good player and visa versa, both play to such a high level that they know how each others thought processes work. If Rab knows that Camel can lay down a hand then instead of making a big rereraise on the river (where like IFM says he probably instacalls a big all in) by only betting a small amount and sewing a seed of doubt within the Camels mind Rab may think this is the only way he can bluff Camel out of the pot.

taht's a good point...and it's why you can only call this hand IMO..as Camel knows this and therefore could take him for a big bluff (and move all-in, donking off all his chippies if Rab does hold the nuts (or in case of trip J's second nuts)

I still haven't heard why everyone is soo convinced the guy can't have the straight.

[The Camel]

I came very very close to passing. In fact, If this had been had the WSOP main event I'm sure I would have passed. I was almost certian he had a set of Jacks.

But, in cold light of day, totalise is right. Against an aggressive opponent Rab  would almost certainly have led out for something like 1/4 or 1/3 of the pot on the flop with JJJ hoping I would flop something big enough (or decide to make a move) to raise him.

With this analysis, his hand becomes obvious. He turned a set of 2's. And then played it like he would have if he had flopped a set.

He's played it beautifully. I am just a luckbox who can't fold a big hand!

[boldie]

I came very very close to passing. In fact, If this had been had the WSOP main event I'm sure I would have passed. I was almost certian he had a set of Jacks.

But, in cold light of day, totalise is right. Against an aggressive opponent Rab  would almost certainly have led out for something like 1/4 or 1/3 of the pot on the flop with JJJ hoping I would flop something big enough (or decide to make a move) to raise him.

With this analysis, his hand becomes obvious. He turned a set of 2's. And then played it like he would have if he had flopped a set.

He's played it beautifully. I am just a luckbox who can't fold a big hand!

I've said it once and I'll say it again...Totalise is a feckin' genius when it comes to hand analysis.

[matt674]

I came very very close to passing. In fact, If this had been had the WSOP main event I'm sure I would have passed. I was almost certian he had a set of Jacks.

But, in cold light of day, totalise is right. Against an aggressive opponent Rab  would almost certainly have led out for something like 1/4 or 1/3 of the pot on the flop with JJJ hoping I would flop something big enough (or decide to make a move) to raise him.

With this analysis, his hand becomes obvious. He turned a set of 2's. And then played it like he would have if he had flopped a set.

He's played it beautifully. I am just a luckbox who can't fold a big hand!

which is why i go all in on the river, I think i have the best hand (i too have played against Rab before) and if i got lucky hitting my two outer and caught him with a smaller set then i get paid - if he was on a bluff or draw and missed then he passes and i win the pot without him seeing how lucky i got hitting my possible 2 outer on the river.

[doubleup]

Against an aggressive opponent Rab  would almost certainly have led out for something like 1/4 or 1/3 of the pot on the flop with JJJ hoping I would flop something big enough (or decide to make a move) to raise him.

!

so why exactly does he not do this with a set of twos?