Grosvenor changing rules regarding deals?

[ifm]

Hello, spoke to the cardroom manager at walsall tuesday night just after we chopped the money 3 ways in the 50 freezeout.
He said as of 5th April they will no longer allow deals (or as i said the game ending prematurely).
I can't remember if he was saying this was a grosvenor/grosvenor walsall or a national thing.
Anyone else hear about this?
Couple of things that come to my mind:-

Deals will always be done regardless

If they want them to finish then starting earlier should be considered (but please not bigger blind structure)

Who can stop the last x amount of players chopping and walking out? (can't withhold cash can they?)

Personally i see nothing wrong in deals if they suit me
As with Tuesday, there was approx 45 minutes left till a chipcount, three left with player A 160k+ player B 80kish and me with 65kish.
Basically chopped it with me taking an extra 300 off the top prize (great deal i thought).
I see nothing wrong in this at all, they put the pressure on with the chipcount 45mins away!!!!
Apparently they will force the chipcount and all games played to a finish.

Any thoughts?
ian

[ariston]

If the players want to deal we will deal. If you are insisting on playing to a chip count you may find players having tricky decisions to make on every hand. With 10 minutes to go to a chip count in blackpool last year I suggested a split to the remaining five players. When the offer was declined by one player I told the other players that with 10 minutes to go I would be taking my full 2 minutes on every hand and only paying one more set of blinds. Sure this was angle shooting but I didn't do it on the sly, I told them exactly what I was doing and why. In the last 10 minutes and last 5 hands 2 players decided to commit suicide and get themselves knocked out (obviously it was my fault for stalling).
ariston

[ifm]

hehehe, in my first final table i didn't understand what the chipcount meant!!!
I assumed they just placed you according to chips and got that specific placing amount......DOH!!
I decided to 'go for it' in the last 5 minutes cuz i thought 'well i'm guaranteed 100 anyway, may as well try to go for the win'.
Needless to say i managed to get myself knocked out to some VERY strange looks, found out shortly after i cost myself around 350!!!!!
You live and learn huh?
ian

[tikay]

I simply don't understand this "you are prohibited from dealing" thing.

Would somone from Walsall - or even our blonde-ite in the know at Walsall, Dani Versace - care to comment or enlighten us?

[ariston]

ifm. In the same game I mentioned above that is exactly what happened. One of the players (not a newbie either) didn't understand the chip count rule and thought he was getting last place anyway. He proceeded to go allin with junk and took a huge pot. Next hand he did it again and ended up getting a huge slice of the pie. He admitted to me afterwards his mistake when I was admiring his kahoonas for gambling so much. I thought he had just decided to go for it where as in effect he had just cocked up,
ariston

[tikay]

"admiring his kahoonas".

Cue another English lesson from Karabiner, methinks.....

Can anyone give me the precise meaning of "kahoonas". Are they like coconuts?

[ariston]

Same size as coconuts methinks. The hand he pushed allin with was 68os to crack mallu's aces if I remember correctly.It was a 3 way pot with the other player holding A8 on the button.
ariston

[Ironside]

tikay during the irish open last weekend when i asked if they did a deal you said that thomas stopped them
how did he stop them if they had gotten up and gone to the bathroom what would he have done?

[Karabiner]

Sounds to me as though the casino is forgetting whose money we are playing for.

If they were to add money, then they  MAY have a case of sorts,
but with the players supplying all of the prize fund, a no-dealing dictat seems completely unreasonable to me.

P.S. Kahoonas seems to be the anglicised vernacular form of the Spanish 'cohones',
which is where the bull generally tries to stick his horns in those brave matador chaps !

  

[RED-DOG]

they cant stop deals being done and after they are whats to stop the players going all in every hand untill its over?? or am I missing the point here?

[AdamM]

At the risk of being controversial, there are those of us who don't like deals and who resent the pressure put on us at final tables when we decline a deal.

When you are in a situation when remaining players are evenly matched in both chips and ability I understand those players wanting to even out the prize money a bit but I dont agree with chopping it up and stopping playing 4 or 5 handed. Believe it or not some of us trive on being involved in short handed final table action. Climbing the money ladder, making well timed stands and the all out bluffing and re-bluffing in heads up are a few of the best parts of the game.

how do deals in TV tables work? what would happen if the final 9 at thw WSOP decided to take an even 9 way split? I'm sure Binions, ESPN and the rest would be pissed then.

[Junior Senior]

Fair point Adam.
I think if a deal is done there should still be play to a finish to get a winner. (i.e. - 30K left in the prize pool, 2 players take 12.5k each and play for the remaining 5K) - i don't like resolving a comp by way of chip count.

i agree that short handed play is a great part of the game and shouldn't be avoided.

[redsimon]

I wonder if they are protecting themselves for the 100/15000 GTD event there. If less than 150 enter then the casino will be adding money?

[tikay]

Well this is getting confusing, but let's remember where the debate began.

"Grosvenor at Walsall have banned deals".

I think the thrust if the issue is:

Do they have the right - not to say ability - to ban deals?

Did they really say, or mean, that?

It's not a case of whether deals are good or bad, which seems to me to be a different issue.

Where are you Dani?

[Ironside]

At the risk of being controversial, there are those of us who don't like deals and who resent the pressure put on us at final tables when we decline a deal.

When you are in a situation when remaining players are evenly matched in both chips and ability I understand those players wanting to even out the prize money a bit but I dont agree with chopping it up and stopping playing 4 or 5 handed. Believe it or not some of us trive on being involved in short handed final table action. Climbing the money ladder, making well timed stands and the all out bluffing and re-bluffing in heads up are a few of the best parts of the game.

how do deals in TV tables work? what would happen if the final 9 at thw WSOP decided to take an even 9 way split? I'm sure Binions, ESPN and the rest would be pissed then.

i too think that deals ruin the point of a comp to produce a winner but when there is alot of money involved and the blinds are so high that it could mean solving the event on a coin flip then i think the players have the right to do with the money as they see fit